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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jan 17, 2010 20:26:27 GMT 12
The Saloon Bay of Plenty Champs was held in the context of the 240's today. A slick track and sweltering heat (in a race suit) greeted the competitors, anticipating a 'drivey track' continuing on from night one of the 240's. Today's lineup had Phil Towgood added, unable to attend on the (rained out) Saturday night due to Waikaraka home track committments. I chose a rear grid for all three heats due to front brake issues ( had none!  ) which while frustrating at times, likely saved me from major damage in heat one. Unfortunately a number of the competitors chose to disregard the slick conditions and attempted to circulate as if on train tracks - they failed! The referee had a little chat to drivers at the conclusion of heat one! It's about to 'hit the fan',
HEAT ONE, LAP ONE!  Three wide ...  Saloons heat one, first start attempt.
Even off the very rear it's dangerous ...So we get underway again, for a lap or two.
The stoppages are quite handy if you're in to texting while behind the wheel!  ...They must have listened, or the track got a bit of drive back in it, for heat two. I failed to start heat two as my rear braking went to the same place unknown as my front. A brake bleed on the rear had a little pedal and brake found, enough to start off the rear again in heat three. BOP Champ: 2NZ (5m) Brent McClymont, 2nd to Paul Managh (82m) and third place to Steve Williams 1NZ (21h).A few stills with a bit of video to follow: |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jan 17, 2010 21:32:06 GMT 12
Heat three has 13r off the rear ...
Heat three final result has Brent McClymont 2NZ (5m) and Paul Managh 82m equal on points, with Steve Williams close behind.
A runoff is required ...
The Stockcars reminded us as to why they are called 'stockcars' ...
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Post by justafan on Jan 18, 2010 0:05:26 GMT 12
hmm get a little distracted in the last vid murray  |
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Post by muzz x51 for now on Jan 18, 2010 0:18:12 GMT 12
Very interesting result to say the least,well done to all who drove,371r u poor bugger u ,the axle/left wheel didnt look good.How did 16r go????And thankyou to those who helped to fill the grids up that i rang  :)Good to see goat there kicking back enjoying the racing.Well done Rotorua |
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Post by SuperHarry on Jan 18, 2010 0:45:52 GMT 12
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Post by porry41 on Jan 18, 2010 7:06:43 GMT 12
who is that black car .has illegal back spoiler .that should get ya.s going  |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jan 18, 2010 8:08:58 GMT 12
who is that black car .has illegal back spoiler .that should get ya.s going If you mean the one I had a good view of from all angles and nearly took off with my front right ... 69K! ;D ;D |
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Post by japsuper on Jan 18, 2010 9:51:36 GMT 12
Love the little TR8. Whose car is this, any details on it.
Given this model stopped prodn circa 1980 obviously dispensation no problems re the 20 year rule ? Guess same with Nigel Ross' Monza.
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Post by skid on Jan 18, 2010 12:33:34 GMT 12
Saturday night after wheel packing. But the rain would not stop. everyones car got a little muddy. Attachments:
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Post by skid on Jan 18, 2010 12:37:06 GMT 12
apart from one car ?? Attachments:
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Post by chris13w on Jan 18, 2010 12:51:01 GMT 12
Love the little TR8. Whose car is this, any details on it. Given this model stopped prodn circa 1980 obviously dispensation no problems re the 20 year rule ? Guess same with Nigel Ross' Monza. SNZ gave a blanket dispensation earlier in the year for cars over 20 years old - but who knows what will happen next year?? TR8's were last built in 1982 - and no similar vehicle afterwards, so I've been saying for years how do they still run - now 28 years out of production... (And Monza is even longer ago)! |
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Post by Brett85p on Jan 18, 2010 13:13:06 GMT 12
who is that black car .has illegal back spoiler .that should get ya.s going Ok I'll bite From the photo above it looks like it meets the rules to me: A rear spoiler may be added. (i) Spoiler, and spoiler end plates, to be a maximum 150mm high, and maximum 500mm long, front to rear. (ii) The spoiler to be no wider than the maximum width of the bodywork to which it is attached. (iii) Spoilers on hatchbacks must originate from below the base of the rear window. (iv) Spoiler, and end plates, must finish within rear of car, and to be measured as per drawings. (v) Maximum height of spoiler, or rear of car to be 1200mm from the ground. (vi) An OEM spoiler, manufactured of fibreglass, aluminium or plastic, maximum height 200mm, which normally has two mountings is allowed, these have air going under or over the spoiler. The spoiler is to come within the existing rules on height, length and width. |
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Post by skid on Jan 18, 2010 13:39:56 GMT 12
last heat
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Post by Nigel on Jan 18, 2010 13:53:19 GMT 12
who is that black car .has illegal back spoiler .that should get ya.s going Ok I'll bite From the photo above it looks like it meets the rules to me: A rear spoiler may be added. (i) Spoiler, and spoiler end plates, to be a maximum 150mm high, and maximum 500mm long, front to rear. (ii) The spoiler to be no wider than the maximum width of the bodywork to which it is attached. (iii) Spoilers on hatchbacks must originate from below the base of the rear window. (iv) Spoiler, and end plates, must finish within rear of car, and to be measured as per drawings. (v) Maximum height of spoiler, or rear of car to be 1200mm from the ground. (vi) An OEM spoiler, manufactured of fibreglass, aluminium or plastic, maximum height 200mm, which normally has two mountings is allowed, these have air going under or over the spoiler. The spoiler is to come within the existing rules on height, length and width. Wrong rules Brett... Saloon rules are as follows; T11-2-20 (r) A rear spoiler may be added. (i) Spoiler, and spoiler end plates, to be a maximum 200mm high, and maximum 500mm long, front to rear. (ii) The spoiler to be no wider than the maximum width of the bodywork to which it is attached. (iii) Spoilers on hatchbacks must originate from below the base of the rear window. (iv) Spoiler, and end plates, must finish within rear of car, and to be measured as per drawings. (v) Maximum height of spoiler, or rear of car to be 1200mm from the ground. (vi) OEM type rear spoiler as fitted to any production vehicle is permitted. Must comply with T11-2-20-(r) (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) (vii) No performance and/or racing type rear spoilers are permitted. |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jan 18, 2010 14:49:11 GMT 12
Get a load of this from Nigel's post ... "vii) No performance and/or racing type rear spoilers are permitted." How on earth is that to be enforced? Isn't that one of the craziest rules, likely second only to removing mirrors from the saloons as they are used to block! The last race video clearly demonstrates mirrors not required for blocking, shepherding, etc! |
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Post by Brett85p on Jan 18, 2010 15:54:20 GMT 12
Yes, clear as mud or is that clear as clay!
So you can have an OEM spoiler but not if it enhances performance.
You have to wonder if people think about how these rules will be policed when they put them into place.
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Post by HRC on Jan 18, 2010 16:42:29 GMT 12
yes now the classes are split the rules now vary quite a lot and one for all the Saloon class to look out for when buying a ex super saloon to convert into a Saloon is the roll cage material sizes.
as super saloons are now allowed Southward Roll cage tube which is 38 od x 2.6 mm wall and Saloons are only allowed 38 od x 3.0 mm wall seamless tube (this one is going to cost a lot of people alot of headaches ) ps all HRC chassis are built with minimum 3.0 mm wall tube in the shaded roll cage area
cheers Martin Halcrow
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Post by porry41 on Jan 18, 2010 16:47:09 GMT 12
ok home from work now 1st that tr8 is francine bakers car from rot the first tr8 ever built even before the jumbo tr8 i had. was built by kevin belk 12 h way back when i run my comodore against it .has had extensive work done to it by francine (that womens touch) re spoiler i ran that exact same spoiler on my tr8 .at the last waikato champs i ran i had to remove that same spoiler & written up in log book .reasons did tr8s or supras come out with that spoiler .no.because its after market. was same hight as roof line .higher than radistor scoop.and illegal aluminium brackets .its boy racer material. >:(dont get me started on the 20 year crap ) |
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Post by Nigel on Jan 18, 2010 16:59:05 GMT 12
yes now the classes are split the rules now vary quite a lot and one for all the Saloon class to look out for when buying a ex super saloon to convert into a Saloon is the roll cage material sizes. as super saloons are now allowed Southward Roll cage tube which is 38 od x 2.6 mm wall and Saloons are only allowed 38 od x 3.0 mm wall seamless tube (this one is going to cost a lot of people alot of headaches ) ps all HRC chassis are built with minimum 3.0 mm wall tube in the shaded roll cage area cheers Martin Halcrow Good point Marty, hadn't picked that one up myself. Hopefully someone like yourself will prepare the appropriate remit for next year to keep the rollcages the same, as the obvious intent is to enable "hand me down" super saloon chassis. As for the Rear Spoiler rule. The intent was simply to allow all /any OEM Production Car Rear Spoilers to be used on any Saloon car, e.g. Mazda 6 Spoiler on Holden Monaro... (Who knows if they go together, but was just an example) The last rule was to NOT ALLOW the big Performance and/or Racing Wings that appear on circuit racing NZV8's, V8 Supercars, etc... As for policing it, yeah, I can see your points, but it should be blatantly obvious what is NOT on a normal road going production car. Or maybe not? And agree with Murray, getting rid of mirrors was the stupidist thing I have ever seen. |
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Post by HRC on Jan 18, 2010 17:28:56 GMT 12
yeah about the mirrors i leave murray to look into them LOL
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) which while frustrating at times, likely saved me from major damage in heat one. Unfortunately a number of the competitors chose to disregard the slick conditions and attempted to circulate as if on train tracks - they failed! The referee had a little chat to drivers at the conclusion of heat one!
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:)Good to see goat there kicking back enjoying the racing.Well done Rotorua
