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Post by artnmotion on Dec 28, 2010 17:56:00 GMT 12
Unlucky to not make the grand parade after his engine troubles on Monday night after practice...
Couple of questions i was hoping someone on here may be able to answer...
A: If he gets his engine fixed in time after the postponments (sp) is he allowed to still race after withdrawing monday night? (Sonja??)
and B: are they actually trying to get the engine going again before tomoro night (Wednesday)??
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Post by BarryB on Dec 28, 2010 18:50:06 GMT 12
They did phone Sonja this morning and ask the question, but as Ken officially withdrew from the meeting and it's still only a continuation of the meeting (with the groups set and grid draws done etc) they were told no. Depending on what happens with the weather and withdrawals etc, that situation may change. I don't know, as a result of that phone call, whether they were going to try and fix it or not.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Dec 28, 2010 19:10:19 GMT 12
I think you will find that this situation is the Promoters call on weather he can re enter or not ....not SNZ
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Post by BarryB on Dec 28, 2010 19:59:21 GMT 12
I think you will find that this situation is the Promoters call on weather he can re enter or not ....not SNZ If you read my post Marty you'll see that it was promoter's call to deny the re-entry - SNZ was not mentioned. |
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Post by artnmotion on Dec 28, 2010 20:05:44 GMT 12
They did phone Sonja this morning and ask the question, but as Ken officially withdrew from the meeting and it's still only a continuation of the meeting (with the groups set and grid draws done etc) they were told no. Depending on what happens with the weather and withdrawals etc, that situation may change. I don't know, as a result of that phone call, whether they were going to try and fix it or not. Thanks heaps for that BarryB, would love to see him out there, the car looked like it had potential at the shakedown thats for sure! and would love to see another young Hunter... and Rotorua car have a good crack at the title. The car definately has the history to prove it can go all the way, and as mentioned above also Ken at shakedown whilst only running the engine in |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Dec 28, 2010 20:19:21 GMT 12
I think you will find that this situation is the Promoters call on weather he can re enter or not ....not SNZ If you read my post Marty you'll see that it was promoter's call to deny the re-entry - SNZ was not mentioned. yes I know was just pointing it out before people got in and bagged SNZ like they usually do lol |
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Post by sonjahickey on Dec 28, 2010 22:01:15 GMT 12
Think of it this way. Because of Ken's withdrawal we had to change the groups around to make all the groups even. Then we have done a grid draw, imagine how the competitor who got a good first grid draw would feel if the promotion turned around and said "sorry Ken has now got his engine going and we are going to change everything and redo the grid draws to fit him in".
Always two sides to think about. Yes we feel sorry for Ken should he be able to get his engine going, but had it not rained the situation wouldn't have arisen as he formally withdrew from the event.
Sonja H
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Post by Rusty on Dec 28, 2010 22:04:54 GMT 12
Think of it this way. Because of Ken's withdrawal we had to change the groups around to make all the groups even. Then we have done a grid draw, imagine how the competitor who got a good first grid draw would feel if the promotion turned around and said "sorry Ken has now got his engine going and we are going to change everything and redo the grid draws to fit him in". Always two sides to think about. Yes we feel sorry for Ken should he be able to get his engine going, but had it not rained the situation wouldn't have arisen as he formally withdrew from the event. Sonja H It puts the promotor in a very hard spot as he is a local also but since it is a full re run he should be allowed s circumstances have changed |
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Post by Admin on Dec 28, 2010 22:14:11 GMT 12
Think of it this way. Because of Ken's withdrawal we had to change the groups around to make all the groups even. Then we have done a grid draw, imagine how the competitor who got a good first grid draw would feel if the promotion turned around and said "sorry Ken has now got his engine going and we are going to change everything and redo the grid draws to fit him in". Always two sides to think about. Yes we feel sorry for Ken should he be able to get his engine going, but had it not rained the situation wouldn't have arisen as he formally withdrew from the event. Sonja H It puts the promotor in a very hard spot as he is a local also but since it is a full re run he should be allowed s circumstances have changed it's not a re run it's a continuation following a rain delay. . |
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Post by racefan on Dec 28, 2010 22:19:07 GMT 12
So, if a car/driver should pull out, will Ken be able to take the spot made vacant by that car/driver if the 37R machine is up and running. Heres hoping he can take his place come qualifying night. Note to other drivers for future championships, leave it as late as possible to pull out, or is there a time limit for this.
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Post by daz on Dec 28, 2010 22:23:49 GMT 12
can he be put in one of the 21 car groups & run from grid 22 in all three heats?
my guess is most drivers would like to see him there, can they be asked if there's any objections? whether to re-draw grid or run from the back?
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Dec 29, 2010 7:40:25 GMT 12
In instances like a championship would it not be ideal to not race and purely DNF as oposed to removing entry or is exiting out something that is meant to be done if someone cant make the start.
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Post by artnmotion on Dec 29, 2010 9:51:24 GMT 12
Think of it this way. Because of Ken's withdrawal we had to change the groups around to make all the groups even. Then we have done a grid draw, imagine how the competitor who got a good first grid draw would feel if the promotion turned around and said "sorry Ken has now got his engine going and we are going to change everything and redo the grid draws to fit him in". Always two sides to think about. Yes we feel sorry for Ken should he be able to get his engine going, but had it not rained the situation wouldn't have arisen as he formally withdrew from the event. Sonja H Thats all i was after thanks Sonja, and reading this seems all fair, rules are rules.... and with grid draws etc it all makes perfect sense thanks.. Heres hoping it doesnt turn into a macgors arguement as above... and as RSCC has anounced it is a continuation day after day until the meeting is run... so it is not a re-run. unless of course the drivers all come to an agreement? or maybe let him run off the back for all 3, that would be amazing to see that and him actually qualify! |
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Post by stockyboy55r on Dec 29, 2010 12:15:49 GMT 12
lets hope all is well in the hunter camp 2 day
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Post by tank11 on Dec 29, 2010 12:20:53 GMT 12
In instances like a championship would it not be ideal to not race and purely DNF as oposed to removing entry or is exiting out something that is meant to be done if someone cant make the start. DNS - did not start. Must make scrutineering first. Then he's registered in. If can't make track, DNS. If makes track and doesn't finish, DNF. |
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Post by artnmotion on Dec 29, 2010 13:28:53 GMT 12
I blieve in this instance that before the grid draw was done he had pulled out of the championship though?
and therefore if car must be scrutineered? then today they will be doing it again so surely he mst be able to run? i am confused now after that last post cos having a DNS still means he can race?
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Post by stockyboy55r on Dec 29, 2010 13:45:25 GMT 12
spoken 2 ken hez not a loud 2 run 2 night bummer for him azz he got haz car back 2 100%  |
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Post by artnmotion on Dec 29, 2010 13:59:28 GMT 12
why cant he just take the place of one of the other drivers pulled out? or even run off the back for all 3 heats if its that much of a problem, with the withdraws they are gonna have to shuffle the groups again anyway and do a grid re-draw by the looks?
Sonja can u confirm any of this or whats happenieng with the 3 other cars that have pulled out?
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Post by Schaaby on Dec 29, 2010 14:03:56 GMT 12
Easy. Once you withdraw from the meeting that's it, final, gone.
The only way he could re-enter is if it was a similar situation as it was in Kihikihi last year where the whole meeting was held again, not a continuation as it is today.
Clear as mud.
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Post by The Godfather on Dec 29, 2010 14:04:30 GMT 12
As has been said on more than one occasion.....
.....There will not be a re-jigging of groups
.....There will not be any grid re-draws
.....If a group is a car or two short then thats how they will run.
The only posts you need to look at are the official ones, not other peoples heresay
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