red group run off (Read 2,572 times)

[busterbell]

can some please clarify a comment made by the commentator, that during a run off you are not allowed to stop.
as i understand it, you are not allowed to attack from a stationary position, therefore you may stop and wait, but must be moving prior to launching a attack.
i think the commentator was wrong, but other opinions would be valued.

[Admin]

you must keep moving or else you are deemed to be retired from the race.

[Deleted]

That is the racing rules for any race except a teams race

[busterbell]

ok so your saying you cant stop and wait but may crawl and wait.
wat happens in the situation where you stall or have stopped after heavy contact?? i assume there is a time limit to get restarted??
and yes i am taking the rule book to bed with me but not all rules appear to be in it.

[Deleted]

Dec 29, 2010 22:43:00 GMT 12 busterbell said:

ok so your saying you cant stop and wait but may crawl and wait.
wat happens in the situation where you stall or have stopped after heavy contact?? i assume there is a time limit to get restarted??
and yes i am taking the rule book to bed with me but not all rules appear to be in it.

I'm not going to go looking for it but in there somewhere(prob around the Stockcar/Superstock race rules) it will say something like ... you must keep moving, no matter how slowly....

[Admin]

after a hit or similar the ref will allow appropriate time. I think it all came about after a run off at Napier when two cars in a run just sat and waited at each end of the track . I think one even took his steering wheel off and was waving it about in an attempt to fool the other car into thinking he was broken.

[Shai-tan]

Was a good run off though wasn't it Maybe I'm just biased. That gives Nelson close-on 1/5 of the finals qualifiers

[Deleted]

Argghh buster u know I'm never gunna sleep till i find it now so i did go looking and it is rule R12-3-5 E on page 202 of the 2009 book, i assume its still in the '10 version

[tank11]

poor old rammer.

[busterbell]

Dec 29, 2010 22:58:27 GMT 12 Ramjam said:

Argghh buster u know I'm never gunna sleep till i find it now so i did go looking and it is rule R12-3-5 E on page 202 of the 2009 book, i assume its still in the '10 version

thanks rammer. yes read each set of rules about 6 times and think i have my head around the 2 versions.
the confusing part is in teams racing where you can stop and/or attack from a stationary position, but must not hit a stationary car. (huge advantage to the blocker eh )
i do apoligise to the commentator who was correct after-all and thank those that have helped clarify my perception. ;D

[Sharns With Sparky]

is there a video of it any were??

[busterbell]

Dec 30, 2010 9:35:57 GMT 12 Sharns With Sparky said:

is there a video of it any were??

i hope so would love to see it again, it was rather dramatic, particularily after i thought all hope was gone for the tank!!
speedbox could not repeat it on the night but they may have it on their site today as a teaser for tonight. (just a assumption)
(and/or a bloody good hint. )

[Dirt_Fan]

I was sure that they were both at a crawl albeit a very slow crawl.

[busterbell]

Dec 30, 2010 9:40:18 GMT 12 Dirt_Fan said:

I was sure that they were both at a crawl albeit a very slow crawl.

yes that is what brought the query up is that the comentator said that the tank cannot stop when they were chasing each other at a snails pace.

[Deleted]

Dec 30, 2010 9:33:49 GMT 12 busterbell said:

Dec 29, 2010 22:58:27 GMT 12 Ramjam said:

Argghh buster u know I'm never gunna sleep till i find it now so i did go looking and it is rule R12-3-5 E on page 202 of the 2009 book, i assume its still in the '10 version

thanks rammer. yes read each set of rules about 6 times and think i have my head around the 2 versions.
the confusing part is in teams racing where you can stop and/or attack from a stationary position, but must not hit a stationary car. (huge advantage to the blocker eh )
i do apoligise to the commentator who was correct after-all and thank those that have helped clarify my perception. ;D

But you can hit a stationary car in teams racing if it is in an attacking position. Being in an attacking position simply means you can move (either forwards or in reverse) in the race direction, even at an acute angle.

This always comes up on this forum around teams champs time so although I'm no expert on it I might trawl thru and find some pix to demo what I mean and show examples. When I have a few pix to use I will start a new thread on the difference between teams race rules and normal race rules.

[rick-taylor]

Was a good run-off.

The clip that the tank got on 99r was enough to damage the pan-hard bar by the sounds of it which resulted in the drive shaft coming apart.

Hopefully they will get it sorted for tonight, the driveshaft has been removed from my car in an effort to get 99R on track again.

I think both drivers deserve some credit for an entertaining run-off. Mark could've taken the easy option and followed the tank at a snail pace and taken the win, but chose to be aggresive. And it takes confidence to sit and wait a lap for a car knowing you've got 1 chance to make a hit - so well done Blair.

Not sure if I can make it back for viewing tonight, but should be a cracker.

[busterbell]

Dec 30, 2010 11:02:58 GMT 12 Ramjam said:

Dec 30, 2010 9:33:49 GMT 12 busterbell said:

thanks rammer. yes read each set of rules about 6 times and think i have my head around the 2 versions.
the confusing part is in teams racing where you can stop and/or attack from a stationary position, but must not hit a stationary car. (huge advantage to the blocker eh )
i do apoligise to the commentator who was correct after-all and thank those that have helped clarify my perception. ;D

But you can hit a stationary car in teams racing if it is in an attacking position. Being in an attacking position simply means you can move (either forwards or in reverse) in the race direction, even at an acute angle.

This always comes up on this forum around teams champs time so although I'm no expert on it I might trawl thru and find some pix to demo what I mean and show examples. When I have a few pix to use I will start a new thread on the difference between teams race rules and normal race rules.

rule r12-4 (f) (any inference that one can legitmately hit all stationary cars has been removed from the rules)

i am on the assumption that rule has been thrown in to cover up any loophole that would occur in determining who would be able to attack or couldnt. eg a driver could be ko'd or stalled but be sitting in wat could be deemed a attacking position and would there fore be fair game.
i read the rule as you are able to attack from a stationary position but you are not allowed to attack a stationary vehicle.

[Deleted]

Dec 30, 2010 12:56:08 GMT 12 busterbell said:

rule r12-4 (f) (any inference that one can legitmately hit all stationary cars has been removed from the rules)

miles off topic of the run off here but the key word is ALL. When the teams COE was developed a lot of ppl thought ALL cars were open to attack. they clarified it so that it was clear you could not hit ALL stationary cars, just those in attacking position.

[busterbell]

yes it has morphed a bit, but did stem from the run off last night and because of that is why i posted on this board and not the general.
i have asked purely out of educational reasons, and a better understanding of the rules ( is that possible )
so not many instances of being in a non attacking position. on your roof, stuck on the wall and on the infield. anything else is fair game.

[Brett85p]

Speedbox are showing the runoff again at 6:25pm