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Post by beachboy on Feb 2, 2014 16:40:34 GMT 12
Which ever the reason for Pete's retirement from the race (Knocked Out or Concussed) I wouldn't think any medical person or promoter would be giving him a clearance to participate in a contact sport within a week when you read about the two conditions. heavyfists.com/difference-knockout-concussionEspecially given the circumstances that created the teams event he was racing in at the time. |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 2, 2014 16:46:43 GMT 12
Six pages of speculation now. A few facts; 1/ Is Pete currently out of The Teams meeting next weekend? Yes. 2/ Is there a process whereby he will be back in? No. 3/ Is there a process whereby he might be able to get back in? Yes. 4/ Do the Panthers have a Plan B in place already? Yes. 5/ Am I going to tell you what it is? No. 6/ Has anybody on macgor's guessed what Plan B is yet? No. 7/ Am I going to tell you when you do guess it right? No. 8/ Pete will be on the radio Tuesday morning, where at least some of the questions asked, will be answered. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B i don't compute fact 2 and fact 3?? or is this a case of bending, manipulating, or ignoring ?? |
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Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2014 16:53:12 GMT 12
Which ever the reason for Pete's retirement from the race (Knocked Out or Concussed) I wouldn't think any medical person or promoter would be giving him a clearance to participate in a contact sport within a week when you read about the two conditions. heavyfists.com/difference-knockout-concussionEspecially given the circumstances that created the teams event he was racing in at the time. I think that article is reinforcing the fact you can suffer concussion without being knocked out but every knockout is a concussion event. Concussions should be very carefully managed. There should be no shortcuts to returning to competition. |
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 2, 2014 17:17:23 GMT 12
Mad if he races next week Unbeleivable if he does But its up to the man himself ,and no one to blame if he has future health issues due to concussion. Had a few in me rugby days Not nice ,ya think ya all good after the event  ?? |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 2, 2014 17:18:27 GMT 12
Six pages of speculation now. A few facts; 1/ Is Pete currently out of The Teams meeting next weekend? Yes. 2/ Is there a process whereby he will be back in? No. 3/ Is there a process whereby he might be able to get back in? Yes. 4/ Do the Panthers have a Plan B in place already? Yes. 5/ Am I going to tell you what it is? No. 6/ Has anybody on macgor's guessed what Plan B is yet? No. 7/ Am I going to tell you when you do guess it right? No. 8/ Pete will be on the radio Tuesday morning, where at least some of the questions asked, will be answered. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B i don't compute fact 2 and fact 3?? or is this a case of bending, manipulating, or ignoring ?? It's a case of there not being anything in the rules about being knocked out. The SNZ board is probably going to need to have a meeting to discuss whether a knock out is treating the same as a concussion or like any other injury. So currently there is no process whereby he WILL be able to race this weekend, but there is a possibility that he MIGHT be allowed to compete pending medical clearance. My guess is they will likely err on the side of caution and not grant him clearance for this weekend and treat it like a concussion. I also predict there will be a change to the way the rules are written to remove the grey area surrounding KO's that currently exists. IMO KO's should be treated as concussions for the purpose of gaining medical clearance to race. |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 2, 2014 17:23:41 GMT 12
Mad if he races next week Unbeleivable if he does But its up to the man himself ,and no one to blame if he has future health issues due to concussion. Had a few in me rugby days Not nice ,ya think ya all good after the event ?? It may not be up to him, if SNZ decide to treat the incident as a concussion event, or if a doctor says hes not medically cleared to race, he won't have a choice in the matter. But if he is cleared to race, then it will be up to him to decide if he wants to or not. |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 2, 2014 17:41:20 GMT 12
a symptom of concussion is loss of consciousness........i don't see how this could even be debated??
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Post by BarryB on Feb 2, 2014 17:45:56 GMT 12
Not sure if its been brought up before but just a question, Do stockcar drivers use mouthguards As a ex rugby player i have had my fair share of concussions untill i started using a mouthguard..We went to seminar on concussion and the Doctor running it said mouthguards reduce our chances off concussion as they act like a shock absorber when an impact occurs..Any way was just wondering if the drivers used them...On a personal note if i was Peter Rees i would give it a miss this year ,family and ya health first, always another race.. Pete doesn't wear one, as he has trouble keeping it in place which means he could be in even more trouble, such as by swallowing it, in the case of a big hit. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 2, 2014 17:47:43 GMT 12
Mad if he races next week Unbeleivable if he does But its up to the man himself ,and no one to blame if he has future health issues due to concussion. Had a few in me rugby days Not nice ,ya think ya all good after the event ?? It's not up to him. There's a process to go through which he may or may not pass. Even if he does pass he may decide not to run of course, but at the moment the choice is not his. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 2, 2014 17:50:16 GMT 12
2/ Is there a process whereby he will be back in? No. 3/ Is there a process whereby he might be able to get back in? Yes. i don't compute fact 2 and fact 3?? or is this a case of bending, manipulating, or ignoring ?? Not at all. It just means there's a process he can go though, but no guarantee he'll pass. Only a Teams Champs conspiracy theorist would ask such a question  Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 2, 2014 17:50:38 GMT 12
Mad if he races next week Unbeleivable if he does But its up to the man himself ,and no one to blame if he has future health issues due to concussion. Had a few in me rugby days Not nice ,ya think ya all good after the event ?? It's not up to him. There's a process to go through which he may or may not pass. Even if he does pass he may decide not to run of course, but at the moment the choice is not his. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B im sure the questions can be answered favourably if one is seeking a certain outcome. |
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Post by saloon14b on Feb 2, 2014 18:44:03 GMT 12
a symptom of concussion is loss of consciousness........i don't see how this could even be debated?? After reading much literature on concussion I agree wholeheartedly with this. I believe that for the good of the sport, Peter Rees should not race in Palmerston this coming weekend. If he does race (even if by some miracle he finds some doctor who signs him as fit to compete) and gets injured/concussed or killed, the negative publicity will cause us many many hassles with OSH. After what looks like a knockout which medical literature indicates concussion, if he races again and gets hurt at Speedways biggest meeting of the year, the OSH investigation and fallout could end Stockcar racing as we know it. For the good of the sport as a whole, I hope that SNZ enforce the mandatory 21 day standdown rules, and that Peter Rees does not race. I hope those close to Peter Rees talk him out of trying to find a loophole round the standdown rules. Death and brain damage is forever, and Peter has family and business to think of. We do not need a peter rees memorial teams champs. |
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 2, 2014 18:58:39 GMT 12
Spot on there Cant beleive there is a debate about it ? |
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Post by speedway86 on Feb 2, 2014 19:06:19 GMT 12
Spot on there Cant beleive there is a debate about it ? i agree aswell,why is there a debate at all |
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Post by fanofsuperstocks1 on Feb 2, 2014 19:36:24 GMT 12
Is the debate coming from Palmerston supporters who are already looking for an excuse if the panthers loose this year. For his own future heath give this one a miss and there could be more to come next year. Let the man heal.
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Post by scotty10 on Feb 2, 2014 19:40:55 GMT 12
Hahaha fanofsuperstocks1, you're so closed minded. Whoever you support has got to beat the panthers first mate before you start that carry on....
This is one of the greatest drivers to pedel a superstock and that's why there's so much discussion
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Post by beachboy on Feb 2, 2014 19:45:50 GMT 12
a symptom of concussion is loss of consciousness........i don't see how this could even be debated?? exactly. and if someone decides he wasn't knocked out or concussed and gives him the ok to race then maybe they can tell us what made him drift into the middle and hit the promotion ute. |
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Post by Sharns With Sparky on Feb 2, 2014 19:55:47 GMT 12
Not sure if its been brought up before but just a question, Do stockcar drivers use mouthguards As a ex rugby player i have had my fair share of concussions untill i started using a mouthguard..We went to seminar on concussion and the Doctor running it said mouthguards reduce our chances off concussion as they act like a shock absorber when an impact occurs..Any way was just wondering if the drivers used them...On a personal note if i was Peter Rees i would give it a miss this year ,family and ya health first, always another race.. Pete doesn't wear one, as he has trouble keeping it in place which means he could be in even more trouble, such as by swallowing it, in the case of a big hit. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B I got mine from dentist moulded to my mouth and teeth never falls out in rugby and very comftable |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 20:00:15 GMT 12
maybe they can tell us what made him drift into the middle and hit the promotion ute. Target fixation?? As Ashton Shepherd would say "Look it up" |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 2, 2014 20:06:49 GMT 12
I had a reply written up asking what process that might be based on my understanding of the rule book being that he had to take the stand down and it could only be reduced to 15 days. Then I had the sudden thought, he was KO'd, with no indication that he was concussed, and the rule book as far as I can see says nothing about what happens when someone is KO'd. So, is being KO'd treated the same as a concussion? Does the 22 day stand down still apply where someone is KO'd but no suspicion of a concussion exists? Or is it treated as any other non concussion injury as per section M6-10 of the rule book, which would require him to get a medical clearance before he can race again? I'm not sure of the exact details and how it all works. I spoke to Pete yesterday and he hadn't been able to find it in the rule book. I spoke with an SNZ Director last night, and he wasn't 100% sure either. It will certainly require a medical clearance, and Pete is going to find out about the process early next week and go from there. It's certainly been achieved a time or two before. If he fails whatever tests he needs to do, so be it. There are no guarantees, just a process. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B this process (that no one can find nor authenticate) and which you mr barryb do not know the details of nor in fact how it works smells repugnant with conspiracy!! |
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