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Post by tank11 on Feb 10, 2014 6:42:24 GMT 12
He re-entered the track behind Dare that time, so still not sure what was wrong.
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Post by boner87 on Feb 10, 2014 8:37:43 GMT 12
Can someone in the know is there anyone standing say at the end of the straight so they can see the excessiveness of the use of grass. Did they bounce of a car and put two wheels up there, did they gain an advantage, did they look like they did it with purpose? Just seems like the line is very very fine and changes a little each year but this year did a massive leap and getting close to being just a little well anal?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 10, 2014 9:54:49 GMT 12
I think it flowed much better on Night 2 though.........just like the live stream.
Barry B
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 10, 2014 10:12:59 GMT 12
I'm assuming it was from the lap 1 incident with Dare (the in-car from the 84n is on YouTube) when he left the track between T3 and T4 but rejoined, once he regathered himself and restarted the car) on the front straight (and not behind the Dare car). I also thought I heard one of the commentators mention on Saturday night they weren't going to stop the race and pull every car off for the more minor infringements, or something to that effect. Some infringements only warrant a 1 place relegation surely, NOT being parked up on the grass from lap 1. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B I think it was for the second time with Dare at about the 5 minute mark, was taken to the grass & kept going as though nothing had happened unlike earlier in the race where he looped back around Miers to regain the track You were correct that the commentators said there was a meeting overnight with the managers where it was decided to not stop races & remove cars instantly as they had the first night This is where the reentering rule gets obscured Harwood in my opinion shouldn't have been relegated why? because Dare spun to the infield as well so therefore that car that took you to the infield you can not rejoin behind it because its not sitting on the track its either spinning or driving on the infield.Its a rule that needs looking at and cleaning up also the one where you are taken infield and came flying back on track sometimes those ones cant be helped and also need cleaning up |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 10, 2014 10:29:37 GMT 12
I thought Dare was still on track after that first hit (lap 1) by 84n?
Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2014 11:11:16 GMT 12
I thought perhaps it was from the first hit on Dare where he entered the infield on turn 4 and rejoined the track on the main straight after getting the engine restarted, Dare was still on the track I think but unknown whether he was mobile at that stage.
Would have been safer to loop around and re-enter from turn 4 and behind Dare.
The other hit where Dare and Harwood spun infield could also be construed as an infield pass. Once again better to loop back and re-enter the track behind Dare's position. Does it matter that the other car is also infield? , I don't know but guess it does.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 10, 2014 11:38:11 GMT 12
I thought perhaps it was from the first hit on Dare where he entered the infield on turn 4 and rejoined the track on the main straight after getting the engine restarted, Dare was still on the track I think but unknown whether he was mobile at that stage. Would have been safer to loop around and re-enter from turn 4 and behind Dare. The other hit where Dare and Harwood spun infield could also be construed as an infield pass. Once again better to loop back and re-enter the track behind Dare's position. Does it matter that the other car is also infield? , I don't know but guess it does. The first one he had lost power, so costed towards the centre(in case it didn't refire?), only re-entered after a while. Obvious he had trouble starting, so any car that was behind him had ample time to pass if mobile. I'm sure in the second, he cut behind Dare to enter the track, Dare being further infield. |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 10, 2014 11:51:31 GMT 12
I thought perhaps it was from the first hit on Dare where he entered the infield on turn 4 and rejoined the track on the main straight after getting the engine restarted, Dare was still on the track I think but unknown whether he was mobile at that stage. Would have been safer to loop around and re-enter from turn 4 and behind Dare. The other hit where Dare and Harwood spun infield could also be construed as an infield pass. Once again better to loop back and re-enter the track behind Dare's position. Does it matter that the other car is also infield? , I don't know but guess it does. That was what I thought as well which is why I pointed out that earlier in the race Jack Miers got him off the track & he looped back around to reenter the track behind him but in the pass I pointed out there was no attempt at all to do the same. I guess it was heat of the moment but a very costly mistake no less |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 10, 2014 17:52:19 GMT 12
I thought Dare was still on track after that first hit (lap 1) by 84n? Barry B not the lap 1 one Barry he rejoined behind on that one |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 10, 2014 18:14:22 GMT 12
I thought Dare was still on track after that first hit (lap 1) by 84n? Barry B not the lap 1 one Barry he rejoined behind on that one But he didn't rejoin the track where he left it, that is 100% certain. He certainly didn't loop back behind Dare, and I thought Dare was still stationery on the track back in T3/T4 when Harwood re-fired? Mind you, I was at the mercy of the stream and not there watching it live so could easily be wrong. Hopefully the official reason (like, which incident on which lap caused the actual relegation) will surface one day. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2014 19:42:21 GMT 12
Have just spoken with referee Rod McNaughton and it was the second incident where both Harwood and Dare spun infield the Nelson car was pinged for.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 10, 2014 20:17:56 GMT 12
Thanks Rod/Macgor
Barry B
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Post by tank11 on Feb 10, 2014 22:18:08 GMT 12
It's on the videos Barry.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 10, 2014 22:21:37 GMT 12
Have just spoken with referee Rod McNaughton and it was the second incident where both Harwood and Dare spun infield the Nelson car was pinged for. I'm positive he went behind Dare to the track. Will go back and watch it again. |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 10, 2014 22:27:46 GMT 12
Yep, definitely drove around the back of Dare(at the 5 minute mark)
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Post by busterbell on Feb 10, 2014 23:00:19 GMT 12
robbed again........... seriously what is the expectation here? bearing in mind he is carrying serious pace and the opposition is careening wildly infield??  |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 5:55:37 GMT 12
It's on the videos Barry. What? The referee pops his head in and explains which move the relegation was for?  And which "videos" do you refer? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 11, 2014 6:10:42 GMT 12
It's on the videos Barry. What? The referee pops his head in and explains which move the relegation was for? And which "videos" do you refer? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Further back (last page) is the in car video. Or was I watching from another car? Will go and check. |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 11, 2014 6:31:02 GMT 12
I very clearly remember watching that race and seeing Dare force Harwood in field and he carried in without entering behind Dare, I said to my partner as soon as I saw it that it would lose the race for them.
It would have been with 3 or 4 laps to go max.
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 11, 2014 6:39:27 GMT 12
I think it was for the second time with Dare at about the 5 minute mark, was taken to the grass & kept going as though nothing had happened unlike earlier in the race where he looped back around Miers to regain the track You were correct that the commentators said there was a meeting overnight with the managers where it was decided to not stop races & remove cars instantly as they had the first night This is where the reentering rule gets obscured Harwood in my opinion shouldn't have been relegated why? because Dare spun to the infield as well so therefore that car that took you to the infield you can not rejoin behind it because its not sitting on the track its either spinning or driving on the infield.Its a rule that needs looking at and cleaning up also the one where you are taken infield and came flying back on track sometimes those ones cant be helped and also need cleaning up I personally believe that if the car that forces you infield spins out infield also you either 1. can't enter until he has re entered or 2 after say 10 seconds. I know its pedantic giving it a time but grassing a car is a legitimate block and making it pointless by allowing to instantly continue if the attacker (or blocker in this case) spins seems silly. |
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And which "videos" do you refer?