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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 21:40:49 GMT 12
next thing on my mind...thank you for that very good post wade, I have to say..when i watch yank racing, the track staff dont look like they are collecting the garbage..which is absolutely and categorically what we see every frikken day at NZ tracks..who would tune in to see a bunch of nutsty clad dudes running round looking like the homeless? seriously...I wonder what the hell im involved with when i see some of em...its a bad look...makes the whole sport look like nuts.....get in to uniform...every one! stop looking like scum bags...your holding out sport back!
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Post by theycallmewade on Oct 21, 2014 21:51:11 GMT 12
Sorry Murray, wasn't an attack on your sentiment. We have all seen personal costs go up to compete and perform over the years (if we didn't we would all be racing grass track at Mere Mere) My rant was more of a 'call to arms' about leveraging the product that speedway nationally has to offer. On a club by club basis we will continually under perform financially, especially in the regions where the demographics are slimmer. Having said that the regions do much better on a population basis than the major cities - perhaps that tells its own story with the range of entertainment options available in the cities on a summer Saturday night?
In Auckland we have a population of 1.2 million - all we need is 5000 (or 0.4%) on a Saturday night to be standing room only - I am sure that the provinces do better than 0.4%! (and I am sure that Auckland can do better than this, but is currently consistently way under it!)
Others may have thoughts on this - My view is we need to focus on supporting sales and not have to sweat the fees....
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Post by tank11 on Oct 21, 2014 22:12:27 GMT 12
Crap feedback, actually it is my point of view and some of us like to share there point of view when they feel it is warranted but you seem to get offended very easily!!!!! You have paid $195 licence and probably $100 in membership but you have got all bitter and twisted about a measly $2… go figure He's not bitter about the $2, it the disguise it's taken in. Why not just say a $2 entry fee?  ? |
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Post by boner87 on Oct 21, 2014 22:30:46 GMT 12
When I race a formula first it was $365 for a meeting which was just qualifying and three races. I wasn't even sure what the fee paid for. And had to pay extra for test days. I would say as long as the speedways are up front with want it's for St. John's, entry fee, officials, general costs that this tiny fee should be sweet as
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 22:44:09 GMT 12
oh I want to say so much about this, but I wont. well said Wade
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Post by Mischief on Oct 21, 2014 23:53:54 GMT 12
The simple answer to the original topic (for Stratford anyway) is that the track wall needs protecting or it will need replacing.... at an estimated cost of over $2,000,000.00..... I would imagine..... for any New Zealand, Club run Speedway track, all of those zero's would be very, very scary.
At the end of this season, Stratford has to put a lip on the wall to give it some protection and this will also have a significant cost associated with it.
Lowering expenses, increasing sponsorship & marketing, apply for funding; are all avenues that the Club will take to fund this, but being dishonest is not something that would be contemplated or acceptable.
The Club has been 100% upfront and honest with members about reducing race meeting expenses & this $2 St Johns fee is exactly that.... a $2 St John's fee.
Feedback from informed people has been predominantly positive and supportive for this move rather than making more of it than it really is.
This could be seen as "revenue gathering" but it is not to line anyone's pockets or to make anyone rich, including the Club..... it is to help the Club continue operating in the long term.
Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions but is it not easier to just ask the simple question....WHY??
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Post by BarryB on Oct 22, 2014 7:16:43 GMT 12
Murray....this seems to stem from Stratford informing their competitors that there will be a $2 charge per tow vehicle this season to assist the Club paying for the attendance of St Johns. THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY for revenue gathering, it is actually part of a long term plan to save the Club & it's members MILLIONS!! No, not Stratford, a trigger in part. Just an observation that over recent years their has been a slow but steady increase in tracks seeking to supplement their income from competitors. Good luck saving your club $millions! Quite happy to contribute. There's a difference between "seeking to supplement their income from competitors" and "assisting with the covering of expenses (especially where they may be increasing disproportionately)". And for most, based on figures quoted above ($700-$800 for the ambo), it will only be paying a part of the cost. At $5 each (and some clubs are charging less, or as in the case of HB it's only $2 for youth), you'd need 160 competitors (more if charging less than $5) to raise your $800. I suspect not many meetings around the country, especially club nights, have 160 competitors, therefore supplementing their income is quite a false claim. At just $2 each 2k's would have needed 400 racers turning up to raise the 8 hundy. I wasn't there, but I'd bet there was no "income supplementation" going on in the the King Country on Sunday night. Barry B |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Oct 22, 2014 11:48:47 GMT 12
Absolutely No difference Barry, but surely not the question.
Any additional income be it through charges, fees, gate is to better enable their increasing costs to be met.
There's a difference between "seeking to supplement their income from competitors" and "assisting with the covering of expenses (especially where they may be increasing disproportionately)".
We're not talking clubs and or individuals profiteering.
We're talking surviving.
Supplementary things are added to something in order to improve it, in this case, a clubs ability to function.
Unfortunately as I wrote of, predicted, folk get misty eyed and defensive.
Given the increases being faced by clubs/promotions the decline in gate takings (if applicable), rather than focus on a $2 fire / ambo, whatever supplementary fee ...
It seems the time is fast approaching where all competitors may be faced with a pay at the gate 'entry fee'.
Now that's not a moan, a complaint, a go at any facility, just an observation.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Oct 22, 2014 12:07:45 GMT 12
oh I want to say so much about this, but I wont. well said Wade You did say, or is that abuse ....  |
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Post by Admin on Oct 22, 2014 13:01:45 GMT 12
^^^^^^^ I had missed seeing that Murray , I guess there is no point in removing it now.
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Post by tank11 on Oct 22, 2014 14:07:07 GMT 12
^^^^^^^ I had missed seeing that Murray , I guess there is no point in removing it now. Slowing down Mac? Or Murray's faster than he makes out...........lol. |
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Post by tank11 on Oct 22, 2014 14:08:26 GMT 12
Of course the other option is to increase the club subs.
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Post by panicstations on Oct 22, 2014 15:51:22 GMT 12
Seriously the $2 doesn't even cover the ambo, just to towards it's cost and the ambo is there for the competitors not the spectators so I am all for it and as I mentioned Eastern States charge $10 per meeting.
Clubs could add another $20-30 per season for membership to avoid the charge per meeting deal??
Happy racing all:)
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Oct 22, 2014 16:36:06 GMT 12
Remember people St John Ambulance is a charity and dont get any Government Funding.
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Post by mcfly on Oct 22, 2014 16:41:42 GMT 12
Meeanee charge $5.00 per adult driver and the youth pay $2.00 all to go to the St Johns fee. Mcfly St Johns is at least $700.00 for 3 1/2 hours per meeting so our club fees would only cover 3 meetings at this cost. They could always put the gate price up to cover the cost and you do have to remember that as well as our cost as a driver has gone up so has the cost of running a meeting. On average to run a standard meeting it would cost around 14k plus. I think $5.00 for St Johns is the least to worry about. Hi Regan. Fair enough, I like most others do not have any idea what it costs to hold a meeting. If this is what is needed to help keep a club solvent then so be it. However it does raise another question for me though. Meeanee is not club run, it has a promoter, so why is the club covering some/any of the costs to run the meeting, should this not be covered by the promoter, is this not why clubs use the promoter model - to minimise the cost/risk? If not then I come back to my question in my last post - if the running costs are shared does the promoter have to declare his profits and give back to the club? |
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Post by Admin on Oct 22, 2014 17:08:32 GMT 12
Remember people St John Ambulance is a charity and dont get any Government Funding. 20% right. 80% funded from goverment/public purse. |
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Post by Tapped on Oct 22, 2014 17:28:49 GMT 12
St John, get 80% of their operational budget from the govt coffers, the rest they garner thru fundraising from significant donors, that they can write off at the end of tax dodge, and invoicing etc. If in doubt have a look here www.stjohn.org.nz/What-we-do/St-John-Ambulance-Services/ Seems that most people have lost sight of koro's original intent, and have waded in with emotional outbursts before processing the subject and creating a logical argument. logic would dictate that a competitor would pay the same fee - given they would receive the same service, should they need it. As breeder of little mini-me's, I would be happy to the same the 'fee' as the grown-up racers - i see no reason for a $3 difference - 'if' the 'fee' was going to the same widget. |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Oct 22, 2014 20:03:57 GMT 12
Remember people St John Ambulance is a charity and dont get any Government Funding. 20% right. 80% funded from goverment/public purse. Thanks for pointing that out. What ever the Funding they get, they do an Awesome job. |
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Post by Go Slideways on Oct 22, 2014 20:41:21 GMT 12
As a spectator I'm always relieved to see the St Johns and fire crews on hand when needed. What price safety aye? Photo credit Mike Mager  adult picture hosting |
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Post by bikeboy on Oct 22, 2014 21:11:20 GMT 12
back to Murray's original post, Speedway is the only motorsport in NZ where you don't pay an entry fee to race, and i am not sure if it will last for ever, its expensive to hold motorsport events and its not going to get any cheaper with more regulations coming in,
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