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Post by cookster on Jan 22, 2015 16:43:54 GMT 12
Can anyone tell me the average cost for a standard saloon engine. Brand new driver into the class so want a good reliable engine. pretty sure its a chevy set up on the rolling chassi.
Thanks in advance
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Post by hath on Jan 22, 2015 19:31:20 GMT 12
Anywhere from $5K for a real basic reliable chevy to as deep as your pockets go......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 20:51:32 GMT 12
It really depends on what you want, a top engine will cost tens of thousands, like Hath says a good basic entry level engine can be under five.
I know of a few v6's a couple of straight six fords and while they are good engines and cheap to boot the easiest to get parts for and build for the least cost is a chev 350.
if you want a bit of extra go then just grab yourself a rev kit and some semi decent heads on your basic donk and go from there.
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Post by dontpanic on Jan 24, 2015 19:37:50 GMT 12
I agree with the opinions above, a fairly stock short block seems to handle the abuse ok, 2 bolt blocks, cast crank, cast or hypereutectic flat tops etc.
Its easy to upgrade on head porting and valve train latter on when you can use the extra RPM and HP.
Cheers Brendon
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Post by hoov51msaloon on Feb 17, 2015 14:48:07 GMT 12
2 bolt block dont be stupid when you can get a brand new shp block for just over 2grand and why on earth would you put a cast crank in a race engine yes you can but if you want this thing to last spend that bit extra or you will be replacing them when you want more power. Try to save now will cost you in the long run
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Post by tank11 on Feb 18, 2015 19:30:36 GMT 12
2 bolt block dont be stupid when you can get a brand new shp block for just over 2grand and why on earth would you put a cast crank in a race engine yes you can but if you want this thing to last spend that bit extra or you will be replacing them when you want more power. Try to save now will cost you in the long run This. Get the best you can afford, because soon you will want to upgrade. |
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Post by dontpanic on Feb 24, 2015 19:51:11 GMT 12
All respect to the comments above there is a logic there, not wasted, but you don't need to invest in a higher end engine especially if it is the difference between being able to go racing or not.
If you can, or have mates who can help, understand and assemble a V8 engine yourself you can have a lot of fun bolting together cheap, competitive and surprisingly reliable engines, if it breaks you pull it part fix it and you have learned something, this is how I get my kicks but it is not for everyone.
Happy to share more detail if anyone is interested.
Cheers Brendon
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Post by imasinnr on Feb 28, 2015 13:54:06 GMT 12
10 will get you in the middle , 20 will get you a lot closer to the front , 30+ will get you at the pointy end ...however this is assuming ,the car has the right setup for the driver and the track !
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Post by lsuakme on Dec 29, 2015 20:04:44 GMT 12
So what will each of those price ranges get you roughly? Eg 5k for an x hp 350, 10k for an x hp 383 etc. I don't know bugger all about motors but im teaching myself slowly
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Post by Roger Ex 35A on Jan 1, 2016 19:46:36 GMT 12
So what will each of those price ranges get you roughly? Eg 5k for an x hp 350, 10k for an x hp 383 etc. I don't know bugger all about motors but im teaching myself slowly You probably shouldn't try getting a 383 for a saloon, so the rule book is the best starting point. (I wouldn't ever be building a 383 anyway, a 406 base would be the starting point for a simple Super Saloon engine) 5K will really only get you a hotted up street grade engine, so probably under 370 bhp and less than 6K rpm unless you want a hand grenade motor. Great fun and fine for club nights if you have the time for maintenance. Mine would be about 9-12K new inc machining, but the difference being it is all racing equipment with reasonable porting, it is not at all stressed and was 480 bhp on the dyno last time (5 years ago mind you). Great fun and fine for club night, a good driver could take on the top guys- I certainly can't. The best bit it requires relatively little effort for engine maintenance. Then.... The sky is the limit in terms of price, but you will certainly have reliability issues as everything becomes more stressed. At that point guys start having really aggressive top end setups, which the rules were intended to limit. Really they go past the point solid lifters and pressed rockers can handle, so they pay the price..... A family friend had a bit over 600 bhp, but that thing had total rebuilds each season, did push rods, rockers monthly and dropped valves A LOT etc.. Eventually chucked it in due to cost. Start with the rulebook, then find a book on chev circle track motors. This book is probably a good starting point to learn the specifics of the small block chev. www.ssapubl.com/product.aspx?nbr=S311Good luck, they not exactly complicated motors, there is just a maze of part variables and manufacturers. Thought Saloons were limited to 360 Cubes  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 22:40:43 GMT 12
2 bolt block dont be stupid when you can get a brand new shp block for just over 2grand and why on earth would you put a cast crank in a race engine yes you can but if you want this thing to last spend that bit extra or you will be replacing them when you want more power. Try to save now will cost you in the long run Dont knock the 2 bolt - yeah its not as good as a four bolt but theres a fair few out there reliably lapping the spectators each night as well!! this includes some superstocks and a couple of modifieds. that said - its only a starting point, you would want to upgrade in a few years when the engines worn out again anyway. |
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Post by lsuakme on Jan 5, 2016 16:23:39 GMT 12
Not looking at building a saloon motor, was just interested in what engines money could buy and the power stats. Just being nosey and having a look at ideas
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Post by mrrx on Jan 13, 2016 22:40:17 GMT 12
a few have talked lately on how to pull the fast guys back and make things more even across the class and what if saloons were made to run standard cams of mid snz spec ones don't think many if any would make more than 45o hp . just a thought
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 6:22:44 GMT 12
the cams wont change as much as you think though... the engines we have at the moment have too much oomph from compression and avgas.
If you wanna slow them down then change the legal fuel first - max of 98 octane straight from a pump and no more avgas or E85. lower compression to 9 to 1 instead of 10 to 1.
After that as sad as it sounds, you will still have guys lapping way faster than anyone else!! You would have to look at the other areas like shocks/tyres etc - engine makes a difference - but if a car handles and puts the power down properly you can have a slug motor and still be competitive!
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Post by mrrx on Jan 14, 2016 14:29:39 GMT 12
the 98 pump gas is better than avgas and good points but I still think a cam rule would help things but far too late now  |
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Post by hath on Jan 16, 2016 9:49:42 GMT 12
The cam is the cheap part and power is made in the heads more than the cam, if you want to even the hp across the saloons then you run control type heads with no porting
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Post by mobilechicane on Jan 19, 2016 22:55:02 GMT 12
youll never even out the power between drivers, you have to force some people to spend less and force other people to spend more, is any one saying they reckon saloons are too fast? we cant all cross the line at the same time lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 6:03:45 GMT 12
I think the problem is that people are already spending way above what the class is supposed to require. I know of some drivers who regularly spend supersaloon money to go half the pace of some of the top notch drivers.
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Post by chris13w on Jan 30, 2016 21:58:05 GMT 12
the cams wont change as much as you think though... the engines we have at the moment have too much oomph from compression and avgas. If you wanna slow them down then change the legal fuel first - max of 98 octane straight from a pump and no more avgas or E85. lower compression to 9 to 1 instead of 10 to 1. When did they limit Saloons to 10:1 mine has always been 12.5:1 and not keen on changing it if I ever get the old girl out again... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 16:18:14 GMT 12
the cams wont change as much as you think though... the engines we have at the moment have too much oomph from compression and avgas. If you wanna slow them down then change the legal fuel first - max of 98 octane straight from a pump and no more avgas or E85. lower compression to 9 to 1 instead of 10 to 1. When did they limit Saloons to 10:1 mine has always been 12.5:1 and not keen on changing it if I ever get the old girl out again... couldve sworn i saw it when i was reading through last - but now ive gone to look again its not there, maybe was reading wrong part of the rule book? theres no compression limit in the new one... |
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