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Post by midway on May 30, 2015 19:17:58 GMT 12
That could only be a good thing for the sport and if rumours are correct about the new promotion for Meaanee Speedway it is a certainty that will happen . Which will even up the playing field a bit... Sounds like you may need a bigger pair of gumboots  |
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Post by stdstock on May 30, 2015 19:27:50 GMT 12
That could only be a good thing for the sport and if rumours are correct about the new promotion for Meaanee Speedway it is a certainty that will happen . Which will even up the playing field a bit... Sounds like you may need a bigger pair of gumboots All i said is well done bb. It didn't need all this negative nuts. I was happy with the interview |
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Post by m8sr8z on May 30, 2015 21:01:34 GMT 12
I didn't even think Pete was involved in the incidents that caused all the issues. I'm sure any good father would get involved. Let's hope you grow up before you become one. |
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Post by stdstock on May 30, 2015 21:16:08 GMT 12
All i said is well done bb. It didn't need all this negative nuts. I was happy with the interview woohoo for you. don't expect everyone to share your joy.  Not from someone like you 5hat would be a know. But there has been plenty that has. if you didn't like it why comment on the that says well done bb.start your own post about bagging people. |
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Post by busterbell on May 30, 2015 21:44:24 GMT 12
woohoo for you. don't expect everyone to share your joy. Not from someone like you 5hat would be a know. But there has been plenty that has. if you didn't like it why comment on the that says well done bb.start your own post about bagging people. oh do please put some effort in. at least i have stated why i think the article lacked balance and are facilitating a discussion on a discussion forum. i suspect that is the very reason why people make comment on any thread is to see it progress to some sort of conclusion. i figure you tuned out as soon as you made your first comment.......... |
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Post by Admin on May 30, 2015 21:47:51 GMT 12
Enough of the squabbling guys, I'm not sure there is anything further to discuss re this topic .I will wait and see I guess.
Note : I have removed a bunch of pot shot posts.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on May 30, 2015 22:12:20 GMT 12
why was the question not forwarded of what exactly was it that the rees camp wanted? the article explains they were unhappy with the punishment, and unhappy with the officials justification for that. it sounds to me they then set about trying to manipulate the promotion to influence the officials in a more suited to them outcome. does none of this scream corruption to anyone?? Just been watching a rugby player trying the same thing on a ref! |
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Post by stdstock on May 31, 2015 22:44:24 GMT 12
All you have to worry about Murray is do they have a bike lane?
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Post by Dirtinmybeer on May 31, 2015 23:57:56 GMT 12
i have read the article several times. it is true that it is one sided perspective and does not address the whole issue other than that. nothing new was brought forward and many questions remained unanswered or not approached. the one thing that stands out is the rees camp is in full agreement with me is that palmy officialdom is a farce, biased and self indulgent. on this occasion the rees camp find themselves at odds with the decision making this time not going as they have demanded. they have held the promotion to ransom and have been heartened that they have not buckled to pander to one man. the sport is bigger than just one man......... the other parties have kept there heads down, not seeking self promotion and that is to be admired. the issue was dealt with on the night and for some that is where it needs to be left. there shall be some interesting dynamics in palmy next season with the mix of p and ex p contracted drivers. that may prove entertaining for a while but may be the catalyst for the downfall of the club/promotion. gizzy may benefit in the short term, but it remains to be seen if they can capitalise or maintain the benefits once the party has left the town. as eluded to before, the one positive to look forward to next season is the change in loyalties/dynamics on track with the door ajar for any non p driver no longer having to contend with the palmy stronghold. a chance for others to step up and become hero's or stamp their authority on a a new change of guard. Buster bell, I am disappointed in your comments re PN Officials being a farce. I have been a official of SNZ for 10 years and four of them at a senior level nationally refereeing championships in christchurch,Stratford, waikakara park, Wanganui, wellington and PN. I am also the referee that PR is referring about, I have raced against him in the early 2000's and am a assistant referee at PN Speedway every week. I can assure you there is no farce, no pre judgement no hate tread towards any competitor at PN speedway which includes the Rees family. Just to let you know that I am also the 2nd SNZ official that officiates at the superstocks teams champs. We are more than fair with all competitors as being a ex competitor a trip to the refs box is less than ideal. We are not there to be militarian dictator rather than foster the sport in what you can or can't do within the rules. Busterbell Have you ever raced at PN?, done a NZ championship, Grand Prix, teams champs as if you have im sure you would know who I am. I am available to talk at any time so if you want to you can contact me via a Google search or PN Speedway as I'm happy to chat. BB I am also disappointed in yourself not getting the other side of your story as there are several items in your story that are infactual. Maybe we can catch up at the awards dinner/ AGM and we can discuss this. Regards Ross This is laughable!!! |
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Post by beachboy on Jun 1, 2015 9:36:48 GMT 12
i have read the article several times. it is true that it is one sided perspective and does not address the whole issue other than that. nothing new was brought forward and many questions remained unanswered or not approached. the one thing that stands out is the rees camp is in full agreement with me is that palmy officialdom is a farce, biased and self indulgent. on this occasion the rees camp find themselves at odds with the decision making this time not going as they have demanded. they have held the promotion to ransom and have been heartened that they have not buckled to pander to one man. the sport is bigger than just one man......... the other parties have kept there heads down, not seeking self promotion and that is to be admired. the issue was dealt with on the night and for some that is where it needs to be left. there shall be some interesting dynamics in palmy next season with the mix of p and ex p contracted drivers. that may prove entertaining for a while but may be the catalyst for the downfall of the club/promotion. gizzy may benefit in the short term, but it remains to be seen if they can capitalise or maintain the benefits once the party has left the town. as eluded to before, the one positive to look forward to next season is the change in loyalties/dynamics on track with the door ajar for any non p driver no longer having to contend with the palmy stronghold. a chance for others to step up and become hero's or stamp their authority on a a new change of guard. Buster bell, I am disappointed in your comments re PN Officials being a farce. I have been a official of SNZ for 10 years and four of them at a senior level nationally refereeing championships in christchurch,Stratford, waikakara park, Wanganui, wellington and PN. I am also the referee that PR is referring about, I have raced against him in the early 2000's and am a assistant referee at PN Speedway every week. I can assure you there is no farce, no pre judgement no hate tread towards any competitor at PN speedway which includes the Rees family. Just to let you know that I am also the 2nd SNZ official that officiates at the superstocks teams champs. We are more than fair with all competitors as being a ex competitor a trip to the refs box is less than ideal. We are not there to be militarian dictator rather than foster the sport in what you can or can't do within the rules. Busterbell Have you ever raced at PN?, done a NZ championship, Grand Prix, teams champs as if you have im sure you would know who I am. I am available to talk at any time so if you want to you can contact me via a Google search or PN Speedway as I'm happy to chat. BB I am also disappointed in yourself not getting the other side of your story as there are several items in your story that are infactual. Maybe we can catch up at the awards dinner/ AGM and we can discuss this. Regards Ross Off topic but if this is true why do we keep getting told that it is SNZ officials from outside tracks that officiate at the teams champs? |
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2015 9:45:06 GMT 12
Off topic but if this is true why do we keep getting told that it is SNZ officials from outside tracks that officiate at the teams champs? The senior referee , the one who makes the big decisions and has the final say , is from an outside of Palmy location. I wouldn't imagine for a moment that SNZ or it's members (drivers) could afford to supply a full replacement of officials. |
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Post by kiwisnoopy on Jun 1, 2015 10:17:30 GMT 12
why was the question not forwarded of what exactly was it that the rees camp wanted? the article explains they were unhappy with the punishment, and unhappy with the officials justification for that. it sounds to me they then set about trying to manipulate the promotion to influence the officials in a more suited to them outcome. does none of this scream corruption to anyone?? I have been involved as a competitor and Official (Steward, Referee, Scrutineers etc) since 1968 at PN speedway, and this blowup with Peter Rees and officialdom has been building up for several years, with growing discontent from a lot of competitors over a few of the decisions made by various officials over the previous years, with a lot of talk about some drivers and other people involved with speedway at PN chucking it in. From my personal view, "I walked" from SNZ due to discontent with the way things were going at PN several years, and was not at all surprised about Peter throwing in the towel, the only surprise to me was that he stayed as long as he did. I had previously had discussions with other "Top" competitors who after a lot of debate, decided to stay at PN for the mean time, but I would not be surprised if there are a few "Defections" next season. I had discussed my concerns about what I thought were bad decisions etc with both the promoter and top SNZ officials, but was brushed aside as I was never a member of the 'Clique" and my main belief as an official was the well being of the competitor and the sport in general, not personal power trips or brown noting. |
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Post by beachboy on Jun 1, 2015 11:45:26 GMT 12
Look out FIFA  |
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Post by bikeboy on Jun 1, 2015 15:26:31 GMT 12
with this defection, and the defection of Mark Osbourne last year over a ref's call, do top drivers feel like they should have some sway over the ref's at the track they contract to?
the fact that the palmy promotion, did not, (or could not) change the call is a good thing IMO, i don't think the promotion should have a call in the ref's box,
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Post by Dirtinmybeer on Jun 1, 2015 21:44:41 GMT 12
why was the question not forwarded of what exactly was it that the rees camp wanted? the article explains they were unhappy with the punishment, and unhappy with the officials justification for that. it sounds to me they then set about trying to manipulate the promotion to influence the officials in a more suited to them outcome. does none of this scream corruption to anyone?? I have been involved as a competitor and Official (Steward, Referee, Scrutineers etc) since 1968 at PN speedway, and this blowup with Peter Rees and officialdom has been building up for several years, with growing discontent from a lot of competitors over a few of the decisions made by various officials over the previous years, with a lot of talk about some drivers and other people involved with speedway at PN chucking it in. From my personal view, "I walked" from SNZ due to discontent with the way things were going at PN several years, and was not at all surprised about Peter throwing in the towel, the only surprise to me was that he stayed as long as he did. I had previously had discussions with other "Top" competitors who after a lot of debate, decided to stay at PN for the mean time, but I would not be surprised if there are a few "Defections" next season. I had discussed my concerns about what I thought were bad decisions etc with both the promoter and top SNZ officials, but was brushed aside as I was never a member of the 'Clique" and my main belief as an official was the well being of the competitor and the sport in general, not personal power trips or brown noting. Good to see some balance put across to balance the propaganda from Ross. |
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Post by busterbell on Jun 1, 2015 22:43:44 GMT 12
Off topic but if this is true why do we keep getting told that it is SNZ officials from outside tracks that officiate at the teams champs? The senior referee , the one who makes the big decisions and has the final say , is from an outside of Palmy location. I wouldn't imagine for a moment that SNZ or it's members (drivers) could afford to supply a full replacement of officials. technically lives outside the area but i have been lead to believe he works in the manawatu and besides that has been reffing in palmy forever. does palmy claim shane penn as one of their own?? i bet they do! |
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2015 23:20:42 GMT 12
The senior referee , the one who makes the big decisions and has the final say , is from an outside of Palmy location. I wouldn't imagine for a moment that SNZ or it's members (drivers) could afford to supply a full replacement of officials. technically lives outside the area but i have been lead to believe he works in the manawatu and besides that has been reffing in palmy forever. does palmy claim shane penn as one of their own?? i bet they do! You are obviously easily led down the wrong path. |
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Post by busterbell on Jun 1, 2015 23:45:30 GMT 12
well you could clear that up instantly with some fact. so far you have offered nothing to disprove what has been said.
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Post by tony27 on Jun 2, 2015 7:00:37 GMT 12
Senior ref for teams is from Rotorua & has been for quite some time
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Post by pfloyd on Jun 2, 2015 7:47:29 GMT 12
in the article Rees is asked if he will ever contract back to Palmy and replies "its a known"......."that'll be a known "
does anyone know what he means by this ?
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