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Post by salooncar on Feb 7, 2016 10:07:41 GMT 12
you must be a pom  I take my hat off to anyone willing to teams race. The Lions have travelled halfway round the world, jumped into cars they aren't used to and gone teams racing (which the Poms don't have). I reckon that's pretty impressive and deserves some support (quite apart from which Auckland can't even get a team together so I can't support them). |
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Post by kevin888 on Feb 7, 2016 10:35:15 GMT 12
Shane Harwood had hit the back of another car and started to turn sideways when Wayne Hemi hit him.and yes you could see what Wayne was going to do but momentum and commited to hit all a factor Um, yes and no... Yes, Shane had spun up another car...but there's little doubt from that video that Wayne lined him up, but definitely ducked considerably below the pole line across the corner to get him. Committed? Maybe Illegal? Yes Was it avoidable? Don't know....but it's no better than a car losing control on the straight, sliding backwards across a slippery infield and then taking someone out after rejoining the track with no control. Have seen it happen at this event before, and that driver also got parked. Now I have seen video of hit I must say seeing it in real time as your watching then seeing incar front wheels were definitely on the grass |
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Post by cyborg6 on Feb 7, 2016 11:06:21 GMT 12
where do we go to see this video
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Post by kevin888 on Feb 7, 2016 11:13:32 GMT 12
where do we go to see this video Just put Shane Harwood on you tube and it's the 6th one down |
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Post by stu24p on Feb 7, 2016 11:19:51 GMT 12
So we now have a camera issue, "Politics"" and a weight problem. Another post saying a car was damaged practicing hits at Harrisville prior. Hmmm. No politics, just a random weigh, as they do, and was over. Doesn't mater if it's 2 or 20kgs. I spoke to William, and yes, William and Jack had some Practise at Harrisville and caused some damage. William had a huge grin on his face telling me. That's dedication for you. |
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Post by rig98 on Feb 7, 2016 11:53:14 GMT 12
From Miers Motorsport.
Jack was weighed before the race and he went 1501 on the scales the steward cleared him to race but seems there may have been some influence from within the HB camp and with seconds to go before they went out the steward told Jack he couldn't take to the track.
If he had been told he wasn't allowed take to the track when first weighed his crew would have had ample time to lose 1kg, a little hard with seconds on the clock and the decision overturned
To be fair he was over and the rules are the rules. He weighed in well under when scrutineered. The disappointing aspect was the weight was fluctuating on the scales between 1 and 2kg and Steward gave him the green light to race. That decision was then reversed. Could have totally understood If he was out when first weighed. That decision was only reversed when HB got themselves involved. Maybe they just didn't want to see Jack out there! Never mind that's how it goes sometimes! He will be back. They will meet again.
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Post by hercules on Feb 7, 2016 12:27:23 GMT 12
From Miers Motorsport. Jack was weighed before the race and he went 1501 on the scales the steward cleared him to race but seems there may have been some influence from within the HB camp and with seconds to go before they went out the steward told Jack he couldn't take to the track. If he had been told he wasn't allowed take to the track when first weighed his crew would have had ample time to lose 1kg, a little hard with seconds on the clock and the decision overturned To be fair he was over and the rules are the rules. He weighed in well under when scrutineered. The disappointing aspect was the weight was fluctuating on the scales between 1 and 2kg and Steward gave him the green light to race. That decision was then reversed. Could have totally understood If he was out when first weighed. That decision was only reversed when HB got themselves involved. Maybe they just didn't want to see Jack out there! Never mind that's how it goes sometimes! He will be back. They will meet again. So basically from this above the palmy reckon that first race cost them the spot in the finals? Never mind they lost to chch in a display or poor team work. Hb have every right to get involved, they want to race legal cars, not illegal cars. All 4 cars racing around doing hotlaps doesn't usually win Many races. |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 7, 2016 12:42:58 GMT 12
From Miers Motorsport. Jack was weighed before the race and he went 1501 on the scales the steward cleared him to race but seems there may have been some influence from within the HB camp and with seconds to go before they went out the steward told Jack he couldn't take to the track. If he had been told he wasn't allowed take to the track when first weighed his crew would have had ample time to lose 1kg, a little hard with seconds on the clock and the decision overturned To be fair he was over and the rules are the rules. He weighed in well under when scrutineered. The disappointing aspect was the weight was fluctuating on the scales between 1 and 2kg and Steward gave him the green light to race. That decision was then reversed. Could have totally understood If he was out when first weighed. That decision was only reversed when HB got themselves involved. Maybe they just didn't want to see Jack out there! Never mind that's how it goes sometimes! He will be back. They will meet again. So basically from this above the palmy reckon that first race cost them the spot in the finals? Never mind they lost to chch in a display or poor team work. Hb have every right to get involved, they want to race legal cars, not illegal cars. All 4 cars racing around doing hotlaps doesn't usually win Many races. Quite right. Also if he weighed well under in scrutineering what did they put on (back on) the car that wasn't there when first weighed. Were they deliberately trying to cheat? |
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 7, 2016 12:53:07 GMT 12
How much fuel are they meant to have at weigh in at scrutineering?
It it was low on fuel at scrutineering then adding fuel to race could be the difference ie 20 litres of fuel = 20 kg so could have been as simple as that?
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Post by Skorp on Feb 7, 2016 13:13:56 GMT 12
How much fuel are they meant to have at weigh in at scrutineering? It it was low on fuel at scrutineering then adding fuel to race could be the difference ie 20 litres of fuel = 20 kg so could have been as simple as that? Rulebook states that the minimum and maximum weights apply "ready to race" which I believe means they must have enough fuel for a race when weighed at scrutineering (and at any other point during the night that they are weighed). I think the thing to take away from this si that if you intend to have in-car cameras, you should probably at least have them with your gear bag when you get the car weighed at scrutieneering. Also the minimum and maximum weights are excluding the driver, so you can't lay the blame on a driver having too many (or not enough!) hot dogs before racing! |
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Post by Row on Feb 7, 2016 13:19:29 GMT 12
Aren’t cars meant to front scrutineering fuelled and ready to race?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 13:26:12 GMT 12
How much fuel are they meant to have at weigh in at scrutineering? It it was low on fuel at scrutineering then adding fuel to race could be the difference ie 20 litres of fuel = 20 kg so could have been as simple as that? The car is to be presented to scrutineering in "ready to race" condition, which would assume means enough fuel, water & oil to go racing.... But then I've never seen a car ready to race with the driver standing next to it, as they are at the scales. Tbh if was in charge at MMS, even after being told u can race 1 kg over I still would have taken something of the car. Then if there's anything the opponents sassy about racing an illegal car you can say well we were 1 kg over, here is the 4 kgs of stuff we took off. |
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Post by salooncar on Feb 7, 2016 13:29:21 GMT 12
Quite right. Also if he weighed well under in scrutineering what did they put on (back on) the car that wasn't there when first weighed. Were they deliberately trying to cheat? I have it on good authority from an ex-teams racer from the lower part of the North Island that the usual is to have light wheel gates for weigh-in and much stronger ones for racing. |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 7, 2016 13:34:24 GMT 12
I used to have heavy and light wheel guards was always near or just ova the limit and always weighed 40kg heavier at Auckland than palmy so change wheel guards even cut steel out would never put the heavier ones back on to race because you risk letting the whole team down
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Post by boner87 on Feb 7, 2016 13:39:07 GMT 12
How much fuel are they meant to have at weigh in at scrutineering? It it was low on fuel at scrutineering then adding fuel to race could be the difference ie 20 litres of fuel = 20 kg so could have been as simple as that? Rulebook states that the minimum and maximum weights apply "ready to race" which I believe means they must have enough fuel for a race when weighed at scrutineering (and at any other point during the night that they are weighed). I think the thing to take away from this si that if you intend to have in-car cameras, you should probably at least have them with your gear bag when you get the car weighed at scrutieneering. Also the minimum and maximum weights are excluding the driver, so you can't lay the blame on a driver having too many (or not enough!) hot dogs before racing! When are they going to start weighing the cars with driver. Compare Jacks weight to a heavy or lighter driver the race weight goes out the window |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Feb 7, 2016 13:45:25 GMT 12
I reacon. Like wat would horses car and him weigh compared to jack in his car?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2016 13:53:58 GMT 12
How much fuel are they meant to have at weigh in at scrutineering? It it was low on fuel at scrutineering then adding fuel to race could be the difference ie 20 litres of fuel = 20 kg so could have been as simple as that? The car is to be presented to scrutineering in "ready to race" condition, which would assume means enough fuel, water & oil to go racing.... But then I've never seen a car ready to race with the driver standing next to it, as they are at the scales. The "car" IS ready to race at that point.........it's just the driver that is not if he's not in it. Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2016 13:57:10 GMT 12
Rulebook states that the minimum and maximum weights apply "ready to race" which I believe means they must have enough fuel for a race when weighed at scrutineering (and at any other point during the night that they are weighed). I think the thing to take away from this si that if you intend to have in-car cameras, you should probably at least have them with your gear bag when you get the car weighed at scrutieneering. Also the minimum and maximum weights are excluding the driver, so you can't lay the blame on a driver having too many (or not enough!) hot dogs before racing! When are they going to start weighing the cars with driver. Compare Jacks weight to a heavy or lighter driver the race weight goes out the window When somebody puts forward a remit that goes on to be successful via a vote by the members, and not before. Until then every car, less driver, in a "ready to race" condition that weighs in between 1400kgs and 1500g is at a legal position in the weights. The cars are all weighed as per the current rule book. Barry B |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Feb 7, 2016 14:35:17 GMT 12
The way they are weighed is complete b.s tho.
Uneven surface uneven ramp and sensors too far from wheels, not to mention being lined up skew on the ramp.
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2016 14:49:09 GMT 12
The way they are weighed is complete b.s tho. Uneven surface uneven ramp and sensors too far from wheels, not to mention being lined up skew on the ramp. But isn't that exactly how the CVIU weigh heavy vehicles on our highways right across the country? If it's good enough for the law, it's got to be good enough for Teams Champs...  |
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