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Post by Jamo on Apr 10, 2018 16:23:51 GMT 12
Nothing will change. Speedway at Springs will be given another 2 year extension "while more options are considered". No council money will be spent on fixing up issues at Waikaraka and the can will be kicked down the road a little bit more. Council has bigger fish to fry around Americas Cup infrastructure, light rail to spend a fortune on and other high ticket items. This issue will be put in the to hard basket and left to others later on. Been this way for years and can't see it changing anytime soon. Next topic please!! 10 pages of crap and speculation so far. Boring! Guess we will have to wait and see what the deal is when Auckland Council decide what to do next month but since you decided to chime in Jamo I would be grateful if you could to some who does not understand - why do the mods not race at WS and Baypark (very often)? Simple answer mate. Western Springs - not invited. Baypark - ran there for a few years and thought it went off pretty well but since new promoter came in we haven't been invited. At the start I think he was more keen to push 6 shooters as he was able to make money off these from his business interests outside of track promoter. Only speculation but since he has been there 6 shooters run and mods not invited, plain and simple. |
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Post by twincarb on Apr 10, 2018 20:43:46 GMT 12
So if there is a cricket club next to wacky park WHY don't they rebuild the place AND incorporate a new world class cricket stadium there and leave the springs alone ??
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Post by Rota on Apr 11, 2018 7:18:44 GMT 12
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Post by Rota on Apr 11, 2018 16:24:02 GMT 12
The fight to stay at ‘The Springs’ is alive and well
The team here at Springs Promotions Limited continue to work hard to ensure Speedway remains at the Western Springs beyond 2019.
You will have seen us in a range of media including NZ Herald, CRC Motorsport, Velocity Motorsport News and Stuff. There is real interest from media, MPs, Councillors and many more about the battle we find ourselves in with RFA.
The response from the RFA to this media coverage suggests the outcome is far from as certain as what they claim it to be. That’s why it’s really important that in the coming weeks we keep the pressure up.
Remember that the final decision rests not with RFA but with the Auckland City Councillors, who will vote on at the end of May. We’re engaging closely with Councillors and overall getting a positive response.
The RFA is a Council Controlled Organisation and will do as the Council instructs them. We’re doing everything we can to ensure that this instruction is to leave everyone where they are for the time being, including the other sporting codes involved, who also now support us in this quest.
Springs Promotions Limited position remains firm, we won’t be worn down by the bureaucrats at the RFA, and we will ensure that open wheel racing remains at its rightful home here in Auckland, which is at Western Springs.
Keep an eye out for a number of articles to roll out in the next 10 days. We will continue to push back against the RFA and to ensure that Councillors understand the real situation.
Thanks to everyone who sent in the emails and Facebook posts, we expect to have the number they received shortly, the word is there were more than anyone expected.
Keep your chin up, we are, and the fight is only just getting started. We’ll be in touch soon about how you can help us in the fight.
Greg Mosen – Promoter
Western Springs Speedway – Since 1929
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Post by midway on Apr 11, 2018 17:16:15 GMT 12
One item of interest that modern society people like Nisbet have unfortunately forgotten about ,is the Cemetery at Waikaraka park ..
More noise ,greater activity, a historic stone wall that divides total loss of respect for those who rest in peace ..
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Post by magilla on Apr 11, 2018 18:17:24 GMT 12
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Post by tonyr on Apr 11, 2018 18:52:57 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 20:40:18 GMT 12
I support the idea of speedway remaining at WS 100%.
I am uncomfortable though with the tenet SPL being the main entity responsible for negotiations bewteen the RFA and Auckland Council (AC) for several reasons.
Firstly, there is a conflict of interest because SPL is a privately owned company set up for the benefit of it shareholders, Buckey & co, and not for the benefit of speedway continuing as WS. SPL's 35 page constitution makes no mention of speedway nor WS. SPL has a lease and is a tenet. Irrespective of the rhetoric SPL's primary goal is to get a new lease for itself, staying on at WS is a secondary issue, albeit important.
Secondly it is clear that relations between SPL and RFA have hit rock bottom. Mosen appears to despise Nisbet. Buckley is quoted in several articles saying AC are 'pricks". In every one of Mosen's articles I have read he appears to blame the RFA for everything that gone wrong. SPL as a speedway promoter may be great but their public relations strategy is a flop.
RFA's main issue is dollars. They are not anti speedway, they clearly want more income... "The long-term sustainability of the venue is also a factor. The annual cost of maintaining Western Springs is almost four times what the venue hirer, Springs Promotions Ltd (SPL), as a private promoter, pays to use the venue for its speedway events. This adds to the opportunity cost to Auckland and to ratepayers in having speedway operate at Western Springs".
Publicly slagging off the RFA and AC and sending emails to councilors are options but are disrespectful and soft. Instead why not look at other alternatives. I understand SPL currently pays RFA $150Kpa rent. How much would speedway supporters be prepared to pledge to keep the lease open for two more years, given the dire straight we are in at present. Mosen called for 50k signatures of support. If 5,000 fans chipped $20ea - a $100K could be thrown on the table up front to sweeten up the two year extension offer. Who knows how much more could be raised.
More importantly though SNZ should step in and become more proactive, and act as an independent mediator to help diffuse the tension with the RFA/AC given the bad blood between SPL. According to Mosen..“We’ve had [Speedway New Zealand] on the phone this morning. They’re panicking because they’re going to lose their flagship venue".
SNZ could also act as a facilitator to tender out the lease to other promoters. For example if Bruce Robertson won the bid lease for two years it would open up a whole new world of racing options, like toning down the kid classes and including mods, and fireworks and demo derby's, etc.
We don't now yet whether it too late to buy some more time, Nisbet says no, Mosen says not so but in any event we need an experienced independent team with good respectful negotiating skills to step up to the plate and put the best interests of speedway first, something SPL are not in a position to do.
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Post by speedwayjunkie on Apr 11, 2018 21:03:01 GMT 12
At Western Springs Friday night prize giving Mosen said... "At this stage we are still negotiating with the RFA and I can tell you that we have made it very clear that we want to stay at Western Springs. This is our preferred option. We have also made it very clear that we will not be moving to Colin Dale despite what they may think! With the Warriors now being given a 10 year contract to stay at Mt Smart, we are working on the same deal for Western Springs." PS. He also praised and thanked Bill openly but I do wonder whether the thought of losing his probable $100,000+ salary with bonuses and a company car was in the back of his mind as well LOL. I reckon it would be the main reason mr Mosen pulled out of negotiations,he wouldnt want to share any money made. I heard Mosen pulled out of negotiations because he wouldn't be in charge |
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 11, 2018 21:42:31 GMT 12
Getting board now. I think spend the money on WP and make it a mixed venue of speedway. Weather that is alternate weekends or combined I do not care. In fact because it is Auck I don't care.
Just hope the money goes to the good of speedway. Not sure it will if speedway stays at western springs. Western springs seems to be full of personal agendas as most privately run speedways are.
Seems Buckly and Mosen wont play outside of West Springs and I am not sure that is a bad thing. Let them go.
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Post by percy on Apr 11, 2018 22:11:02 GMT 12
I'm not too sure where to start in dissecting PhillB's post but I'll try
As current promoters of Western Springs Speedway SPL are the logical party to conduct negotiations. I'm not sure who else you expect to conduct the negotiations. It's also clear you don't comprehend the role of SNZ. The lease is between Springs Promotions Ltd and Auckland Council. 2,500 drivers don't pay membership fees for the governing body to rack up expenses in relation to a lease that is nothing to do with them.
Just because SPL is a private company doesn't mean they don't have speedways best interests at heart. Doing the right thing for speedway is going to produce the best results for Springs Promotions. The two go hand in hand. No promoter wants to be known as the promoter who was in charge when Western Springs Speedway was transitioned into a cricket facility.
Just because the RFA says we're moving isn't the end of. This is yet to go to a council vote so it is entirely appropriate to lobby councilors in order to try and stop the move. The RFA is yet to make a convincing case that this is a great idea and the council is up to it's eyeballs in debt. This is not a fait compli by a long shot.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Apr 13, 2018 7:35:47 GMT 12
I see a new forest is going in to the western springs lake area,i don't think the Auckland council is going to like the dust from the speedway going over their nice new trees,makes it even harder for mr Mosen im afraid.
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Post by midway on Apr 13, 2018 12:11:13 GMT 12
I see a new forest is going in to the western springs lake area,i don't think the Auckland council is going to like the dust from the speedway going over their nice new trees,makes it even harder for mr Mosen im afraid. Are you speaking on behalf of the Anti Springs Speedway Party .. Dust can have good nutrients in it ,you dont see many dead pine trees or undergrowth in a forest of gravel roads .. |
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Post by speedwaynut on Apr 13, 2018 13:06:15 GMT 12
The dust doesn't seem to affect the existing trees, so why would it suddenly become a problem?
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Post by BarryB on Apr 13, 2018 15:15:36 GMT 12
The dust doesn't seem to affect the existing trees, so why would it suddenly become a problem? What trees? The hills are bare! They've all gooooone haha Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 15:29:01 GMT 12
It's pretty funny that most of the people bagging out Waikaraka don't race, it's oval, and has dirt, there's the two things needed for dirt racing ticked off... so who cares about the rest? Bright side, the hot dogs are half the price and twice as nice at Waikaraka!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 16:05:55 GMT 12
I see a new forest is going in to the western springs lake area,i don't think the Auckland council is going to like the dust from the speedway going over their nice new trees,makes it even harder for mr Mosen im afraid. Hope they are fast growing trees, real fast. According to this Guy..Human Extinction within 10 yearsCouncil better get that new banked track built ASAP as well. I wouldn't mind seeing a few races on it before I'm fried. Its all you fossil fuel burning petrol heads fault - isn't it? |
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Post by magilla on Apr 14, 2018 10:56:46 GMT 12
another moron dooms day theorist
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Post by Rota on Apr 14, 2018 11:23:11 GMT 12
, the hot dogs are half the price and twice as nice at Waikaraka! Hmmmm I tend to disagree. |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Apr 17, 2018 20:23:09 GMT 12
Bring back the Meremere Super bowl do you remember why it failed last time? as cool as it was, it did not draw big enough crowds to keep going, i dont think any track that far south of auckland will pull regular crowds like Western Springs, or a well run and promoted waikaraka park will, Road are better these days, Oh Auckland to Meremere 3hrs |
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