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Post by John W. on Jun 7, 2018 19:18:34 GMT 12
From what I understand Waikaraka will continue but may not get the same amount of money spent on it. A new track will be created at Colin Dale (unsure how much will be spent there). So it appears Auckland will continue to have 2 tracks and groups. 1 looks after the grassroots sport and one that does not. My prediction is many will find the drive to Colin Dale too far. This will reduce gate takings and SPL will pull out. Colin Dale will quickly become run down.
It has been interesting watching this thread and the one over on the open wheel board. 1 group was open to uniting and one group were strongly opposed. Now, instead of one world class venue it appears we are likely to remain with two club tracks as we have now.
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Post by speedwayjunkie on Jun 7, 2018 21:33:37 GMT 12
I think the Big picture has been around the place for a number of years ,but the good old kiwi attitude She,will be right mate has taken preference . A lot of good ratepayers money would have to be spent in up grading the place ,plus the parking is very restrictive if being rebuilt to the satisfaction of all interested parties involved in the sport . Old wounds never heal easy but it has happened many times in progress moving forward .... Sadly alot of ratepayers money will also be spent at Colin Dale Park & on every other project this council can dream up The Councillors, Mayor etc all get voted in because they tell us they will look after our hard earned cash, in reality when push comes to shove they spend our dollars like it is going out of fashion & when they run out & need more they dip into our pockets time & time again, very disappointed in Council, they are mostly a bunch of people who are overpaid & have no connection to real world issues & spending money wisely
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 21:46:13 GMT 12
well as for ppl who cant walk a couple of minutes from car to track and those who find driving out to the airport too long of a journey are just not worth worrying about... I read it...sounds good but no roof..no roof..doh dumb Bastards build the roof now or it will be too expensive later...more wet weather coming...ask the scientists...greatly reduces the grounds ability to hire itself out to other organisations in return for that elusive stuff called money...do it once do it right...even if it is for springers classes and fans....it only sensible..another open roofed area in Auckland does nothing for the city...so still doesnt really safeguard the sport very long into the future...just like the north shore stadium..another waste that never fills in cold wet weather... there will be a Marea or is a Marae out there already..the complaints of dirt in the air messing everything up..airlines getting dirty flying thru the dust ..blaa blaa..if you can think it..im sure any crazy or founded complaint is possible..
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Post by nakifans on Jun 8, 2018 7:31:51 GMT 12
Just a Query, Why was Colin Dale Motorsport Park up till now deemed unsuitable for open wheelers etc with everyone giving reason's from bright lights and dust affecting aircraft to being too far to travel amongst many other reasons.
Colin Dale Motorsport Park was mooted many years ago and offered to SPL or even earlier promotors but they and others chose to flog a dead horse and stay at Western Springs. Could of been up and running many season's ago .
Perhaps the real reason for change of heart is that SPL wouldn't of held the upper hand if it had gone to Waikaraka Park.
Hope the council look after Waikaraka Park as this decision doubles the amount of funding now required to provide two racing tracks when their original option was solved for the two class's at the price they will probably spend at Colin Dale for one class.
Hope the open wheel fans will enjoy the sound of electric powered midgets drowned out by aircraft in the future. Don't say they won't be electric powered, motorsport internationally starting to move that way.
Just watch some of the Sunday afternoon programmes on TV3.
As a ratepayer and speedway fan I feel let down by this decision which seems to be pandering to one group at the expense of others.
Remember we are as ratepayers still burdened with the white elephant , Eden Park.
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Post by tonyr on Jun 8, 2018 7:43:29 GMT 12
Just a Query, Why was Colin Dale Motorsport Park up till now deemed unsuitable for open wheelers etc with everyone giving reason's from bright lights and dust affecting aircraft to being too far to travel amongst many other reasons. Colin Dale Motorsport Park was mooted many years ago and offered to SPL or even earlier promotors but they and others chose to flog a dead horse and stay at Western Springs. Could of been up and running many season's ago . Perhaps the real reason for change of heart is that SPL wouldn't of held the upper hand if it had gone to Waikaraka Park. Hope the council look after Waikaraka Park as this decision doubles the amount of funding now required to provide two racing tracks when their original option was solved for the two class's at the price they will probably spend at Colin Dale for one class. Hope the open wheel fans will enjoy the sound of electric powered midgets drowned out by aircraft in the future. Don't say they won't be electric powered, motorsport internationally starting to move that way. Just watch some of the Sunday afternoon programmes on TV3. As a ratepayer and speedway fan I feel let down by this decision which seems to be pandering to one group at the expense of others. Remember we are as ratepayers still burdened with the white elephant , Eden Park. I can’t answer re the dust or lights but as for travel time the new(ish) Waterview tunnel has made a big difference to travel time. In fact there wouldn’t be much additional time between Colin Dale and Waikaraka. i am just glad a decision has been finally made acceptable to SPL and the Council and we can all move on. Looking forward to a new track more suited to the open wheelers than the Springs. |
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Post by Rota on Jun 8, 2018 8:43:59 GMT 12
Re the dust, Ruapuna is close to the airport also & they still going good.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Jun 8, 2018 9:08:38 GMT 12
Where they race motocross and offroaders there at the moment is well away from the flight path,thats why its two years away to sought everything out,i reckon it will be awesome,will have to book my reserved seat early for grand opening lol.
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Post by number1fan on Jun 8, 2018 11:09:46 GMT 12
This thread before the announcement was made has so many people hating on SPL and making up stories about how they are going to take over waikaraka and how the current classes there will get shafted. Now that the announcement has been made everyone is saying what about waikaraka and that they have missed out.
Im personally am glad its going to somewhere like Colin Dale Park and not waikaraka. If western springs is going to be more and more restricted by the council in the future the right call has been made by SPL. I cant wait to see a purpose built open wheel venue in 2020
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 8, 2018 12:20:23 GMT 12
Genuinely curious.. was the place named after a Mr Colin Dale ? Was he a racer ? Land owner ? Just curious.
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Post by midway on Jun 8, 2018 12:31:22 GMT 12
Speedway Junkie
If it doesnt kind of please you ,i suggest you can make adjustments and find a world of make believe that helps you much more in your quest of life ,so you can watch the sport of speedway like so many of us do ..
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Post by spuddy on Jun 8, 2018 13:02:41 GMT 12
It has been interesting watching this thread and the one over on the open wheel board. 1 group was open to uniting and one group were strongly opposed. Now, instead of one world class venue it appears we are likely to remain with two club tracks as we have now. Totally agree, and interesting to compare things to what we have in Chch, where the 2 tracks and their supporters co-exist and work together. The Ruapuna supporters certainly don't display the arrogance of some of the springs crew on here |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 13:51:29 GMT 12
Nice con job SPL. Mislead us dumb arse sheeple into thinking that you are working to save the springs while all the while planing behind the scene to move on to a better deal for your selves. Well at least they included an infield barrier in their sneaky plans.  |
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Post by John W. on Jun 8, 2018 14:12:44 GMT 12
This thread before the announcement was made has so many people hating on SPL and making up stories about how they are going to take over Waikaraka and how the current classes there will get shafted. Now that the announcement has been made everyone is saying what about waikaraka and that they have missed out. Im personally am glad its going to somewhere like Colin Dale Park and not waikaraka. If western springs is going to be more and more restricted by the council in the future the right call has been made by SPL. I cant wait to see a purpose built open wheel venue in 2020 Ummm....please point to the SPL hating??? The Waikaraka people have been open to uniting. It was not us who walked away from the discussions. The hating has come from the SPL crowd. The SPL crowd were the ones saying they did not want stockcars if they had control of Waikaraka Park. The Waikaraka team were open to looking forward to more classes and variety The thread over on the Open Wheeler board is even more hating toward Waikaraka Park.
Now I note you have only made 6 posts yet you have been here for over 18 months...And you make a post like this. How about being honest about who you are rather than hiding behind a second username.
I am happy debating the pros and cons of the changes mooted for Speedway in Auckland - but this type of guerilla tactics is below the belt. As you can see I am very open about my connections....It even says it in my avatar.
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Post by magpie on Jun 8, 2018 14:40:54 GMT 12
Unless there's been a behind closed doors deal struck some time ago to purpose build a speedway complex at Colin Dale, and design of the new complex has already been completed, I can't see this project being ready to open in November 2020. One presumes this project will be subject to a consent process, a process that'll require consultation with and signoff by the Civil Aviation Authority and Auckland International Airport Limited given the close proximity of Colin Dale to the airport and alignment with the flight path. I presume this will be a 100% ratepayer funded council project and have no doubt the consent process will be fast tracked and not subject to countless Requests for Further Information a private developer's one-off project of this type would be delayed by but given Auckland has an average 180 rain days per annum causing inevitable construction delays... to go from drawing board to dirt flying in twenty-nine months appears to be just a touch optimistic.
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Post by bikeboy on Jun 8, 2018 14:59:20 GMT 12
Where they race motocross and offroaders there at the moment is well away from the flight path,thats why its two years away to sought everything out,i reckon it will be awesome,will have to book my reserved seat early for grand opening lol. they dont race motocross there, it has a practice tracks with very limiting noise limits and bike number limits that make holding racedays there not possible, |
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Post by tonyr on Jun 8, 2018 16:15:13 GMT 12
This thread before the announcement was made has so many people hating on SPL and making up stories about how they are going to take over Waikaraka and how the current classes there will get shafted. Now that the announcement has been made everyone is saying what about waikaraka and that they have missed out. Im personally am glad its going to somewhere like Colin Dale Park and not waikaraka. If western springs is going to be more and more restricted by the council in the future the right call has been made by SPL. I cant wait to see a purpose built open wheel venue in 2020 Ummm....please point to the SPL hating??? The Waikaraka people have been open to uniting. It was not us who walked away from the discussions. The hating has come from the SPL crowd. The SPL crowd were the ones saying they did not want stockcars if they had control of Waikaraka Park. The Waikaraka team were open to looking forward to more classes and variety The thread over on the Open Wheeler board is even more hating toward Waikaraka Park.
Now I note you have only made 6 posts yet you have been here for over 18 months...And you make a post like this. How about being honest about who you are rather than hiding behind a second username.
I am happy debating the pros and cons of the changes mooted for Speedway in Auckland - but this type of guerilla tactics is below the belt. As you can see I am very open about my connections....It even says it in my avatar.
John, I am one of those you label the SPL crowd which is a huge generalization. I enjoy open wheel racing. Why should I have to enjoy stockcars, which I don't? Now in any one season I visit 3,4 or more tracks that run classes similar to Waikaraka, including Waikaraka, if they are running classes I do enjoy. I for one am happy it will remain 2 tracks but I certainly wish Waikaraka well and would never say one is better than the other. They can coexist! |
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Post by John W. on Jun 8, 2018 18:04:11 GMT 12
Ummm....please point to the SPL hating??? The Waikaraka people have been open to uniting. It was not us who walked away from the discussions. The hating has come from the SPL crowd. The SPL crowd were the ones saying they did not want stockcars if they had control of Waikaraka Park. The Waikaraka team were open to looking forward to more classes and variety The thread over on the Open Wheeler board is even more hating toward Waikaraka Park.
Now I note you have only made 6 posts yet you have been here for over 18 months...And you make a post like this. How about being honest about who you are rather than hiding behind a second username.
I am happy debating the pros and cons of the changes mooted for Speedway in Auckland - but this type of guerilla tactics is below the belt. As you can see I am very open about my connections....It even says it in my avatar.
John, I am one of those you label the SPL crowd which is a huge generalization. I enjoy open wheel racing. Why should I have to enjoy stockcars, which I don't? Now in any one season I visit 3,4 or more tracks that run classes similar to Waikaraka, including Waikaraka, if they are running classes I do enjoy. I for one am happy it will remain 2 tracks but I certainly wish Waikaraka well and would never say one is better than the other. They can coexist! Apologies TonyR (are you from circuit racing by chance?). I should have sadded the words "some members of" before the SPL crowd bit. I agree most SPL fans will like some variety and want to see the best for the sport. There have been a few that have made comments like "No way would the open wheelers want to merge & have to share pits with the WP classes" that gave rise to my comment. My comment was more indicating that the team at Waikaraka do not have any hatred toward the drivers and teams at WS. In fact we enjoy hosting them at the John Webster (and I personally would love to be able to see more open wheeler races. In saying that, my ideal night would be a mix of contact and non contact races to provide variety.
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