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Post by powerbuilt on Feb 3, 2019 16:28:13 GMT 12
Looking forward to 2020 in Palmerston North and the South Island cars travelling over the water as WoW has proven that the SI cars and drivers are capable of winning the NZ title. What is the likely hood of 50+ sprintcars? Are there any tight tracks in South Island that the guys can get used to before coming up? The US8. Buddy car was so much faster than anything NZ Sprintcars were == .3 of a second faster = 13.1 second laps. I realise he had far superior gear , but what happens to the car now.? The US driver at PN tonite in a super saloon is driving a local car. Is this just track time in cars/professional drivers , to drive quicker than NZ Drivers ?. As periously stated early on this thread, Buddy just brought is helmet and driver suit with him, car was already here and motor prepared in a workshop in Christchurch, so big part comes down to track time, I think Buddy said he raced in 70 meetings in 2018 so that would compare to around 20 for most drivers racing in NZ. |
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Post by brickie on Feb 3, 2019 17:40:27 GMT 12
Buddy was just a better driver. End of.
You could throw a blanket over those top boys in terms of equipment.
Larsen has his engine prepared by the same team that does whincups. Says it would be super tough.
Buddy was under the lap record for 3 consecutive laps In that feature, says a lot really. Class...
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Post by jimmyj on Feb 3, 2019 18:09:40 GMT 12
That is their job to be fast other wise move over we have another 50 kids to take your place ,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 12:38:46 GMT 12
Buddy was just a better driver. End of. You could throw a blanket over those top boys in terms of equipment. Larsen has his engine prepared by the same team that does whincups. Says it would be super tough. Buddy was under the lap record for 3 consecutive laps In that feature, says a lot really. Class... Several other points, which may or may not be a factor in Buddy s' and the other overseas pilots being better. Firstly, the car set up. In the interview below I thought I heard Buddy say.. "I am glad we were Able to bring Doug out from America". I assume he is referring his crew chief. Could be wrong there but my point is while the kiwi boys can purchase all the best gear I think the skill of an experienced crew chief is another important key to optimal performance. The other thing is body size/weight. I notice most of the Yanks are generally quite small in stature, and lean. I thought I read somewhere that Buddy weighed only 50kg. Conversely many of our kiwi guys look a bit beefy and puffy in the face. Solution: Cut out the Big macs and hit the gym - gulp! As Sprintcars are designed to be as light as possible..no gear box, alloy block rims etc...would the kiwis carrying around an extra 40-50kg body weight give the lean Yanks a bit of an edge as well? Does being 'Slim' give Pickens bit of an edge over the fatties LOL? Perhaps also I'm just desperately scrounging for answers or excuses! Finally, Woodart was right, the D shaped oval is great shape for a open wheel track. Hope WS are taking notes. |
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Post by epmurc on Feb 4, 2019 14:19:58 GMT 12
Based on what I could see on the video, the track was a one lane blacktop with the only real passing opportunities created by drivers getting the transition through turn 2(?)wrong and just about stalling.
And when I say "see", it wasn't actually much because of all the dust, yet there's nary a mention of that in anyone's posts. Had another track produced a surface to match that there would have been a wailing and gnashing of teeth and people calling for the track prep staff to be consigned to eternal darnation.
Why does Cromwell get away with it then?
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Post by speedwaydad on Feb 4, 2019 15:12:47 GMT 12
"Based on what I could see in the video" is probably where you should have stopped. We were camping at the track and I can tell you there were three graders working on that track straight after the 1st meeting until the early hrs of sat morning then again when we woke in the morning there was a grader and watering from first light. It is a harsh climate for keeping up moisture but they watered right up to the start and then throughout the meeting between races. If you had stopped to think how often do we see track records broken during the feature surely that would have told you that it was a well prepared track and not the black top that you alluded to. It was a brilliant meeting put on by a dedicated team of volunteers in testing conditions and those who turned up to watch were well entertained.
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Post by woodart on Feb 4, 2019 16:36:07 GMT 12
Based on what I could see on the video, the track was a one lane blacktop with the only real passing opportunities created by drivers getting the transition through turn 2(?)wrong and just about stalling. And when I say "see", it wasn't actually much because of all the dust, yet there's nary a mention of that in anyone's posts. Had another track produced a surface to match that there would have been a wailing and gnashing of teeth and people calling for the track prep staff to be consigned to eternal darnation. Why does Cromwell get away with it then? perhaps you need to get out of hamilton north more often.the fact that the track record was broken in the feature makes your post look more dusty than the cromwell track. I was there for super saloon champs two years ago and it was the best super saloon champs Ive seen(and Ive seen plenty). its a fantastic track and they run very good meetings. |
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Post by epmurc on Feb 4, 2019 20:59:43 GMT 12
Perhaps you should go back and re-read my post and you'll see that at no stage were my comments directed at the Cromwell club nor their track preparation, I've had more than enough experience to know that getting a grippy, two-laned track on the 2nd night of a wide wheel classes' championship is nigh on impossible.
Did I say it wasn't a fast track - No! A class driver out in clear air is always going to give the lap times a shake on a smooth track
Did I say the meeting wasn't well run - again No!
Did I say the track was one-laned - The video and lack of passing seems to support that assertion. Main movers from the back were mostly as a result of the DNF's in front of them. Top 5 or 6 finished basically where they started.
Was it dusty - no-one seems to be disputing that
So if you read my post properly you'll see my point is that had another club produced a track of a similar nature where it was dry and dusty and there was very little opportunity to pass other cars, and Huntly for the Midgets last year and Super Saloons this year springs immediately to mind (not to mention, the Springs, Bay Park, Waikaraka etc.) people would be lining up to have a shot at them. Cromwell however seems to be immune to this.
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Post by midway on Feb 4, 2019 21:34:28 GMT 12
Sleepy Tripp was know slim Jim ,till he joined the Wendys burger bar management team .. We often down grade our own competitors to much ,and measure them up against the likes of the Americans ,who have sure got some great engine builders ,but so have we on far less budgets proven many times in International meetings The overseas racers have far more seat time not like our own as you well know ,but the likes of Rodney Wood who has raced many classes and given the paying public value for there buck at the teams champs at Palmy ,is also a good racer when luck is on his side in Sprint cars .. And the yanky doodle dandys ,are still no measure for the Kiwis come yatch builders or sailors  |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 4, 2019 21:47:31 GMT 12
Based on what I could see on the video, the track was a one lane blacktop with the only real passing opportunities created by drivers getting the transition through turn 2(?)wrong and just about stalling. And when I say "see", it wasn't actually much because of all the dust, yet there's nary a mention of that in anyone's posts. Had another track produced a surface to match that there would have been a wailing and gnashing of teeth and people calling for the track prep staff to be consigned to eternal darnation. Why does Cromwell get away with it then? It's a track that does lead to a lot of driver errors IMHO, and to some extent that does create some of the passing opportunities. But there is also many ways of attaking turns 1&2, meaning the adventurous can both gain and lose on different laps. I don't really care how the passing happens, passing is what makes non-contact Speedway and the Cromwell D ultimately rewards both the brave and the adventurous. And there wasn't much passing in the 25 Lapper, no, because the cream had already risen to the top via the qualifying format. Barry B |
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Post by magilla on Feb 5, 2019 10:13:41 GMT 12
Based on what I could see on the video, the track was a one lane blacktop with the only real passing opportunities created by drivers getting the transition through turn 2(?)wrong and just about stalling. And when I say "see", it wasn't actually much because of all the dust, yet there's nary a mention of that in anyone's posts. Had another track produced a surface to match that there would have been a wailing and gnashing of teeth and people calling for the track prep staff to be consigned to eternal darnation. Why does Cromwell get away with it then? track was pretty good considering the heat and number of laps of sprintcar races. Kofoid was running under the lap record in the feature so the track can't have been that bad. |
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Post by magilla on Feb 5, 2019 10:18:41 GMT 12
Kofoid been running more races per year for past 6-7 years than our guys do in ten years and against top competition. Something would have been wrong if he wasn't winning. Jamie Larsen was the only one who could get near him being 2nd to him in every feature.
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Post by midway on Feb 5, 2019 11:54:00 GMT 12
Are you enjoying the peace and quiet of your south island tour Magilla ,
I do hope you have been the sober driver when needed keeping within the law on such nice roads in the south ..
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Post by magilla on Feb 5, 2019 13:29:19 GMT 12
Are you enjoying the peace and quiet of your south island tour Magilla , I do hope you have been the sober driver when needed keeping within the law on such nice roads in the south .. yep was sober driver in Invercargill and Cromwell |
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Post by cae76 on Feb 5, 2019 21:41:44 GMT 12
Just come back from southern tour for Sprintcar GP,and the two days at Cromwell for NZ's great three days of racing.Caught up with a few guys from the past and quite a few spectating from the North island.I was amazed about what the locals down there know about speedway especially Sprintcars alot of other places you go to around NZ put open wheel racing in the Stock car catergory and thats their best knowledge on anything Speedway.
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Post by mod46c on Feb 7, 2019 11:59:50 GMT 12
Would be nice to see but it’s also a rip for the fans not getting to see 1NZ out showing off the tail tank at other tracks this season as he’s off back home to the states IMO NZ titles should be for NZ drivers only but in saying that the class from the outsiders being Ozzie’s or Yanks is second to none !!!! In saying that just wondering if your thoughts are "Australian titles are for the Ozzie's only?"
Having the Ozzie's & Yanks come here raises the bar for the Kiwi drivers, the only way to improve your skills is to go up against better competition
Madsen has who a few Ozzy titles and he's technically an American  |
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Post by mod46c on Feb 7, 2019 12:00:07 GMT 12
Would be nice to see but it’s also a rip for the fans not getting to see 1NZ out showing off the tail tank at other tracks this season as he’s off back home to the states IMO NZ titles should be for NZ drivers only but in saying that the class from the outsiders being Ozzie’s or Yanks is second to none !!!! In saying that just wondering if your thoughts are "Australian titles are for the Ozzie's only?"
Having the Ozzie's & Yanks come here raises the bar for the Kiwi drivers, the only way to improve your skills is to go up against better competition
Madsen has won a few Ozzy titles and he's technically an American |
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Post by mod46c on Feb 7, 2019 12:05:28 GMT 12
Looking forward to 2020 in Palmerston North and the South Island cars travelling over the water as WoW has proven that the SI cars and drivers are capable of winning the NZ title. What is the likely hood of 50+ sprintcars? Are there any tight tracks in South Island that the guys can get used to before coming up? Doubt you would get anywhere near 50 at Palmy next season, I don't think the place is that well liked among the sprintcar fraternity. Suspect not many will travel from the south risking there equipment, thus putting the better paying WOW opportunities at risk |
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Post by mod46c on Feb 7, 2019 12:30:20 GMT 12
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Post by woodart on Feb 7, 2019 12:52:56 GMT 12
Looking forward to 2020 in Palmerston North and the South Island cars travelling over the water as WoW has proven that the SI cars and drivers are capable of winning the NZ title. What is the likely hood of 50+ sprintcars? Are there any tight tracks in South Island that the guys can get used to before coming up? Doubt you would get anywhere near 50 at Palmy next season, I don't think the place is that well liked among the sprintcar fraternity. Suspect not many will travel from the south risking there equipment, thus putting the better paying WOW opportunities at risk quite correct. palmy could only get about 11 cars for nzgp this year despite putting up good prize money. there will be more cars racing at harrisville on sunday than palmy on saturday night next weekend. way less damage to equipment at harrisville. |
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