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Post by chevy1957 on Jan 19, 2020 20:04:12 GMT 12
i dont know how much teams get paid. but i do know the distribution of money is like a national party delivering budget Gee that sounds painful. |
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 19, 2020 21:01:08 GMT 12
I have had some response from team managers in the past that have been very open with what they get paid. They are not palmy teams by the way, who should get less cos they live there. Well sort of, as some of both panthers and Mustangs need to travel haha. The amount paid is minimal to the incoming dollars to the promoter.
Fair call tho, as he has the gem. He is in a win win situation. We all want to see it. Drivers all want to be part of it. Would love to see payment to teams double. And I am sure that could happen with the current gate charge.
Would also like to see teams get 80k to attend, and then bigger numbers as the progress on night 2.
Do the maths and that is doable easy. But at this stage he doesn't have to.
Big fan of the non Palmy teams holding this event to ransom as a group to get a share of the gold that the promoter is making. Would need to act as a collective tho.
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Post by fraggleina on Jan 19, 2020 21:54:17 GMT 12
I have had some response from team managers in the past that have been very open with what they get paid. They are not palmy teams by the way, who should get less cos they live there. Well sort of, as some of both panthers and Mustangs need to travel haha. The amount paid is minimal to the incoming dollars to the promoter. Fair call tho, as he has the gem. He is in a win win situation. We all want to see it. Drivers all want to be part of it. Would love to see payment to teams double. And I am sure that could happen with the current gate charge. Would also like to see teams get 80k to attend, and then bigger numbers as the progress on night 2. Do the maths and that is doable easy. But at this stage he doesn't have to. Big fan of the non Palmy teams holding this event to ransom as a group to get a share of the gold that the promoter is making. Would need to act as a collective tho. Sonic 80k? You must be in cloud cookoo land, it would be 200 bucks to get in then, imagine the whinging on here then |
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Post by Colin E on Jan 21, 2020 7:21:14 GMT 12
From a year or 2 ago, and I think my memory is pretty good.
Wanderers got paid 10k to turn up, and by the time they travelled and paid for their Accomadation
which was in one of Bruces Hotels, the cost was around 7.5K
So not much left for fuel and damage etc..
Better $s would be great for the Teams, but being what this Event is, Teams turn up because it is the
pinnacle of Superstock Racing.
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Post by maninstand on Jan 21, 2020 8:06:35 GMT 12
I agree sonic. They could easily get paid 80k each. Let's say 30, 000 attend over the 2 nights at an average of 100$ which is working on theow side that's 3million and 80k to the 14 teams is about 1.2million. Where's the rest go? Yes I'm aware there is other cost involved but it's time for other tracks to ask for a bigger cut of the pie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 9:31:27 GMT 12
It never ceases amaze me that ppl think its anyone else's business who gets paid what to do anything. Unless your in the inner sanctum of a team or the promotion it is all pure speculation what anyone's given, pays or receives.
I don't care if your buying an ice cream or putting your Superstock on the line to compete at teams champs. The only thing anyone should consider is am I getting value for what I personally am putting into this?
That is the only thing you need to know. I don't care if your a fan buying tickets to an event or a competitor entering it. It starts and stops there.
When was the last time you got on a plane and asked the person next to you how much they paid for their ticket, or for that matter asked the trolly dolly how much she gets paid? None of it is anyone's business but theirs.
If your deciding the value of anything to you based on the value of it to anyone else, particularly when your not even comparing apples with apples, your doing life wrong I reckon.
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Post by graemeh on Jan 21, 2020 10:42:30 GMT 12
It never ceases amaze me that ppl think its anyone else's business who gets paid what to do anything. Unless your in the inner sanctum of a team or the promotion it is all pure speculation what anyone's given, pays or receives. I don't care if your buying an ice cream or putting your Superstock on the line to compete at teams champs. The only thing anyone should consider is am I getting value for what I personally am putting into this? That is the only thing you need to know. I don't care if your a fan buying tickets to an event or a competitor entering it. It starts and stops there. When was the last time you got on a plane and asked the person next to you how much they paid for their ticket, or for that matter asked the trolly dolly how much she gets paid? None of it is anyone's business but theirs. If your deciding the value of anything to you based on the value of it to anyone else, particularly when your not even comparing apples with apples, your doing life wrong I reckon. Couldn't agree more, Socialism is alive and well in NZ unfortunately. |
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Post by fraggleina on Jan 21, 2020 12:11:24 GMT 12
Spot on Ramjam, some people know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, also 30,000 over 2 days is all hype in my humble opinion
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Post by maninstand on Jan 21, 2020 12:25:27 GMT 12
We were wanting teams to get paid more. So you're happy with the likes of waikato Stratford to keep getting f all?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:47:24 GMT 12
We were wanting teams to get paid more. So you're happy with the likes of waikato Stratford to keep getting f all? I have no idea how much they get, nor do I care. I know the price of the ticket. I know I can expect 12 to 14 teams and I know those 12 to 14 team drivers must be satisfied with what they get. What I need to know starts and stops with that info. |
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Post by keyboardracer on Jan 21, 2020 19:57:06 GMT 12
I agree sonic. They could easily get paid 80k each. Let's say 30, 000 attend over the 2 nights at an average of 100$ which is working on theow side that's 3million and 80k to the 14 teams is about 1.2million. Where's the rest go? Yes I'm aware there is other cost involved but it's time for other tracks to ask for a bigger cut of the pie. I can tell looking at your numbers straight away they simply wont add up, 30,000 over both nights is probably pushing it and there is absolutely no way it's an average of $100 each. As far as I know there isnt even a ticket which costs $100, as grandstand reserved is under that figure. While I dont think anyone would say the team's dont deserve more money, to simply say that it's easy to pay them all $80,000 is simply delusional. |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 21, 2020 20:05:33 GMT 12
I agree sonic. They could easily get paid 80k each. Let's say 30, 000 attend over the 2 nights at an average of 100$ which is working on theow side that's 3million and 80k to the 14 teams is about 1.2million. Where's the rest go? Yes I'm aware there is other cost involved but it's time for other tracks to ask for a bigger cut of the pie. I can tell looking at your numbers straight away they simply wont add up, 30,000 over both nights is probably pushing it and there is absolutely no way it's an average of $100 each. As far as I know there isnt even a ticket which costs $100, as grandstand reserved is under that figure. While I dont think anyone would say the team's dont deserve more money, to simply say that it's easy to pay them all $80,000 is simply delusional. Yes. 30,000 tickets is 2 nights racing. tickets @ $50 = $1,500,000 14 teams @ $80k = $1,120,000 Leaving Bruce with $380,000 to pay the others and bank roll the season. $60/ticket = $1,800,000 14 @ $60k = $840,000 leaves just shy of a million All $ are averages |
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Post by tony27 on Jan 21, 2020 20:18:13 GMT 12
Those numbers are the most realistic so far. People seem to forget that teams champs effectively bankroll 3 tracks seasons now
Hireage of venue is something not mentioned so far, that's a sizeable chunk of change knowing how much it was costing the turbos before anyone walked through the gates 10 or so years ago
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Post by keyboardracer on Jan 21, 2020 20:34:21 GMT 12
I can tell looking at your numbers straight away they simply wont add up, 30,000 over both nights is probably pushing it and there is absolutely no way it's an average of $100 each. As far as I know there isnt even a ticket which costs $100, as grandstand reserved is under that figure. While I dont think anyone would say the team's dont deserve more money, to simply say that it's easy to pay them all $80,000 is simply delusional. Yes. 30,000 tickets is 2 nights racing. tickets @ $50 = $1,500,000 14 teams @ $80k = $1,120,000 Leaving Bruce with $380,000 to pay the others and bank roll the season. $60/ticket = $1,800,000 14 @ $60k = $840,000 leaves just shy of a million All $ are averages Exaclty so $80k is absolutely dreaming. Even if some how 30,000 tickets at $50 were sold, by the time staff, venue hire, council plans, taxes, etc etc etc are paid he would be lucky to even break even for the event. Let alone pay for any of the rest of seasons events that may not be as financial. And this is if everything goes 100% to plan with weather aswell, add any delays etc with the weather turning to nuts and it's easy to lose even more money |
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Post by wallzy53 on Jan 21, 2020 21:00:26 GMT 12
So if we would like our teams to receive more appearance money. Which I am all for. There are other ways to go about it.
A simple in house raffle $10 a ticket if everybody that attended the track purchased x1 ticket. 17500 x$10 = $175000
1st prize $15,000
2nd prize $7500
3rd prize $2500
Leaving $150,000 to split between teams.
Some will not purchase a ticket others will buy multiple.
In the event that the target $ are not reached the winnings would be a percentage of tickets sold. It’s really Just a way to pay a donation direct to teams, but with the added incentive of winning a decent amount of money.
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 21, 2020 21:13:05 GMT 12
Ok maybe the $80k may have been too high, to be honest I just plucked a figure out of the sky. Even if it was 50K it is more than the teams are getting now. Over and above the ticket revenue there is the revenue from food outlets and copious amounts of alcohol sold. However I digress.
All said I suggest is the teams could be paid more for the show they put on for us, and the amount of gear they wreck.
Here's hoping they continue to do so for many years to come.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 21, 2020 23:21:16 GMT 12
Ok maybe the $80k may have been too high, to be honest I just plucked a figure out of the sky. Even if it was 50K it is more than the teams are getting now. Over and above the ticket revenue there is the revenue from food outlets and copious amounts of alcohol sold. However I digress. All said I suggest is the teams could be paid more for the show they put on for us, and the amount of gear they wreck. Here's hoping they continue to do so for many years to come. If I recall, Bruce makes NOTHING from the vendors, council does? Teams are on $20-25k (?), not certain on P cars and extra for GB. Extra revenue through internet viewers too. |
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Post by maninstand on Jan 22, 2020 7:46:02 GMT 12
I agree sonic. They could easily get paid 80k each. Let's say 30, 000 attend over the 2 nights at an average of 100$ which is working on theow side that's 3million and 80k to the 14 teams is about 1.2million. Where's the rest go? Yes I'm aware there is other cost involved but it's time for other tracks to ask for a bigger cut of the pie. I can tell looking at your numbers straight away they simply wont add up, 30,000 over both nights is probably pushing it and there is absolutely no way it's an average of $100 each. As far as I know there isnt even a ticket which costs $100, as grandstand reserved is under that figure. While I dont think anyone would say the team's dont deserve more money, to simply say that it's easy to pay them all $80,000 is simply delusional. My figures are over 2 nights. I'm well aware tickets aren't 100 per night |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 22, 2020 8:00:28 GMT 12
I can tell looking at your numbers straight away they simply wont add up, 30,000 over both nights is probably pushing it and there is absolutely no way it's an average of $100 each. As far as I know there isnt even a ticket which costs $100, as grandstand reserved is under that figure. While I dont think anyone would say the team's dont deserve more money, to simply say that it's easy to pay them all $80,000 is simply delusional. My figures are over 2 nights. I'm well aware tickets aren't 100 per night Well should be 15000 tickets at $100 then? Isn't capacity about 15000? Whatever capacity is x 2, as it's a sell out now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 8:14:04 GMT 12
Have you guys ever heard of supply and demand?
The way I see things is if there is an oversupply of what a biz buys (in this case the services of Superstock teams) and an undersupply of what that biz sells (in this case premium tickets to see those supperstock teams) and/or has figured out how to sell an unlimited supply of something (live streams) that has already been paid for thru other channels, then I'd say he's doing something right.
Unlike the bloke who thinks 30000 ppl attend teams champs @ an average of 100 bucks each.
15000 ppl paying 50 bux each twice is 15000 ppl paying 100 each, not 2 x 15000 paying 100 each
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