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Post by fraggleina on Jan 22, 2020 8:34:34 GMT 12
You are right again Ramjam, maninstand should be a politician, youāve heard the saying lies, darn lies, and statistics, good job Bruce has his head screwed on
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Post by Tony on Jan 22, 2020 9:39:45 GMT 12
I agree sonic. They could easily get paid 80k each. Let's say 30, 000 attend over the 2 nights at an average of 100$ which is working on theow side that's 3million and 80k to the 14 teams is about 1.2million. Where's the rest go? Yes I'm aware there is other cost involved but it's time for other tracks to ask for a bigger cut of the pie. The only people paying more than $100 each night to go to Teams Champs are those in the corporate lounge, and most of that goes to the PN Council, who owns the venue, and to the caterer who subcontracts the venue. The average ticket price is probably closer to $70, which would be $2.1m in revenue. Out of that, the promoter pays a certain amount per person through the gates (that's why you enter through turnstyles) in rental. He's also got to pay his staff, advertising, power, vehicle running expenses, the cost of the additional seating that's installed and numerous other items. Yes, Teams Champs is a cash cow for the Palmerston North organisation. But they have similar expenses for every meeting they promote, and many will run at a loss, so in effect, Teams Champs covers those meetings. And to those who think Palmy has a nice sum of money in the bank, earning interest, before the event, that's not so. Ticketing companies bank the money, and they pay it out after the event has been run. That way, if the event, for example, is cancelled, punters who bought tickets are guaranteed a refund. That's one of the lessons I've learned this year through my involvement with the NZ Superstocks. Should the teams be paid more? Almost certainly, yes they should. My understanding is that the teams that get through to the second night get the better money, and that's entirely reasonable. But the promoter is taking all the risk of running the meeting, and is entitled to make a reasonable profit. As for the teams themselves, there are plenty of ways to bring in revenue. Sponsorship and merchandise sales are the most obvious ones, and if the team is well managed and well organised, it will do well in this regard. The drivers will get a slice of the pie when it is carved up after the meeting. |
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 23, 2020 14:21:07 GMT 12
are there any gate sales this year heard both nites are full as,booked out  |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jan 23, 2020 16:45:22 GMT 12
are there any gate sales this year heard both nites are full as,booked out Not sure but I do know that General Admission tickets don't guarantee you a seat. |
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Post by maninstand on Jan 24, 2020 11:46:56 GMT 12
100 over 2 nights so 50 per night for you not so smart people that can't read. Well leave it there and wait for the teams to be named so the real chat can begin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 15:00:38 GMT 12
100 over 2 nights so 50 per night for you not so smart people that can't read. Well leave it there and wait for the teams to be named so the real chat can begin Correct but 15000 ppl per night is 15000 ppl paying $100 not the 30000 ppl you keep repeating it is! |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 24, 2020 17:01:42 GMT 12
100 over 2 nights so 50 per night for you not so smart people that can't read. Well leave it there and wait for the teams to be named so the real chat can begin Correct but 15000 ppl per night is 15000 ppl paying $100 not the 30000 ppl you keep repeating it is! Obviously, he doesn't read what he wrote? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 17:09:17 GMT 12
Correct but 15000 ppl per night is 15000 ppl paying $100 not the 30000 ppl you keep repeating it is! Obviously, he doesn't read what he wrote? I don't know if he's A; Being deliberately deceptive to push his own agenda B; A socialist who believes everyone should get the same share of wealth, no matter the value they added or risk they took to earn that wealth C; Hard of thinking. Maybe all three, who knows? |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 24, 2020 17:26:34 GMT 12
Obviously, he doesn't read what he wrote? I don't know if he's A; Being deliberately deceptive to push his own agenda B; A socialist who believes everyone should get the same share of wealth, no matter the value they added or risk they took to earn that wealth C; Hard of thinking. Maybe all three, who knows? Pick any 2 of the 3............... |
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Post by The Observer on Jan 24, 2020 17:53:41 GMT 12
Iām not sure you have to be a socialist to expect the teams to make more 15k for the weekend, given the investment required from drivers in cars, then in pit crew and accomodation for the weekend.
Damage costs are often significantly greater than the casual punter realises
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 18:14:00 GMT 12
Iām not sure you have to be a socialist to expect the teams to make more 15k for the weekend, given the investment required from drivers in cars, then in pit crew and accomodation for the weekend. Damage costs are often significantly greater than the casual punter realises I have no doubt about that but it's up to the suppliers to negotiate a fair price from a business buying their goods or services, not the customer, and if they can't get what they consider a fair/acceptable price then they are free to choose not to supply their goods/services. If someone is putting forward a case for a supplier to be given more (gawd knows why its their bizzo to put their nose in), don't push the cause by doubling the estimates of the main revenue stream to the business buying from those suppliers. Personally I, like most things in speedway, think less is more. I would rather see the 12 top teams fighting it out in the 4 group format, than 13,14 or 15 teams in the format currently used. That would also change the dynamics of what each team could be paid. But that's a different argument altogether |
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Post by shayne293 on Jan 24, 2020 22:21:19 GMT 12
Mornin all.
Just to stick my oar in once in every blue moon.
Hopefully most of you Kiwi's do appreciate the efforts that Team GB put in to traveling the other side of the world to come and have a crack at pinching what I see as The hardest Motorsport championship title in existence.
No other title combines skill, equipment, talent and above all team work in any way. It is so far from anything any other Motorsport I know of. Our nearest to teams is Banger team racing and its not even close.
As for monies I have no idea what anyone gets nor do I care as Ramjam says it's all about your personal value for money.
It costs me as a spectator around three weeks off work and anything between 3 - 5 grand English and that ticket in my hand has been worth every penny and if I could I would do it every year without doubt.
Rather than the negatives there's some great positives. The NZ friendships between teams and spectators the knowledge shared that might take years to learn from different very skilled engineers. The contacts formed for when drivers cross the globe to race at both ends that help supply better equipment to take on each other in their own backyard and the bit that I loved most of all was that Team GB offered up a back up team to shout for anyone that had lost a team in qualifying but couldn't bring themselves to back a regular rival. The support that grows if we can do well is absolutly priceless when your in the stands so god only knows how good that must feel on track. šš.
Stick with the positives if you can afford it go it's worth it. If you can't get there live stream again it's worth it. We will be up here in the northern watching eating bacon butties and drinking tea so give us a wave ššš».
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Post by fraggleina on Jan 24, 2020 23:52:20 GMT 12
Obviously, he doesn't read what he wrote? I don't know if he's A; Being deliberately deceptive to push his own agenda B; A socialist who believes everyone should get the same share of wealth, no matter the value they added or risk they took to earn that wealth C; Hard of thinking. Maybe all three, who knows? B and C is my guess |
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Post by mcfly on Jan 25, 2020 8:52:26 GMT 12
are there any gate sales this year heard both nites are full as,booked out Not sure but I do know that General Admission tickets don't guarantee you a seat. And this is one of the great detractors of this meeting, the number of people who don't have a seat so therefore stand in front of those who do, sit in the access ways making access/egress from seating difficult, stand by the fence etc, is a real problem (including from a H&S aspect). Add in the amount of alcohol sold, and the enjoyment factor for many is often ruined. The place is now over sold for purposes of greed, |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 25, 2020 9:08:30 GMT 12
Not sure but I do know that General Admission tickets don't guarantee you a seat. And this is one of the great detractors of this meeting, the number of people who don't have a seat so therefore stand in front of those who do, sit in the access ways making access/egress from seating difficult, stand by the fence etc, is a real problem (including from a H&S aspect). Add in the amount of alcohol sold, and the enjoyment factor for many is often ruined. The place is now over sold for purposes of greed, So are airline tickets, it's normal policy. |
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Post by mcfly on Jan 25, 2020 9:13:40 GMT 12
And this is one of the great detractors of this meeting, the number of people who don't have a seat so therefore stand in front of those who do, sit in the access ways making access/egress from seating difficult, stand by the fence etc, is a real problem (including from a H&S aspect). Add in the amount of alcohol sold, and the enjoyment factor for many is often ruined. The place is now over sold for purposes of greed, So are airline tickets, it's normal policy. round things Tank11, not once have i ever seem someone standing in a plane because they don't have a seat. |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 25, 2020 14:07:04 GMT 12
So are airline tickets, it's normal policy. round things Tank11, not once have i ever seem someone standing in a plane because they don't have a seat. Correct, they just don't let them on. It doesn't stop them from "overselling" though. Or would you rather have the people turn up from Auckland/Christchurch and be told "sorry, yes you have tickets but you can't go in"? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 15:01:21 GMT 12
round things Tank11, not once have i ever seem someone standing in a plane because they don't have a seat. Correct, they just don't let them on. It doesn't stop them from "overselling" though. Or would you rather have the people turn up from Auckland/Christchurch and be told "sorry, yes you have tickets but you can't go in"? That would be extremely unfair to Auckland & Christchurch folk. If we could do it to the Rotorua & Hawkes Bay fans tho... š |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 25, 2020 18:44:37 GMT 12
Correct, they just don't let them on. It doesn't stop them from "overselling" though. Or would you rather have the people turn up from Auckland/Christchurch and be told "sorry, yes you have tickets but you can't go in"? That would be extremely unfair to Auckland & Christchurch folk. If we could do it to the Rotorua & Hawkes Bay fans tho... š Ohhh, you brute.............  |
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Post by maninstand on Jan 25, 2020 21:43:50 GMT 12
Correct but 15000 ppl per night is 15000 ppl paying $100 not the 30000 ppl you keep repeating it is! Obviously, he doesn't read what he wrote? Doesn't palmy hold about 15k? How hard is it to read. I said 30000 people at average ticket price of 100k over two nights. I didn't say per night. Some seriously smart people on this page š“š¤¦āāļø |
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