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Post by percy on Apr 28, 2023 22:32:19 GMT 12
Superstock
New Zealand - Meeanee - 5th & 6th January 2024
Grand Prix - Wanganui - 1st & 2nd December 2023
North Island - Rotorua - 22nd & 23rd March 2024
South Island - Woodford Glen - 16th & 17th February 2024
Stockcar
New Zealand - Stratford - 12th & 13th January 2024
Grand Prix - Nelson - 10th February 2024
North Island - Gisborne - 23rd & 24th February 2024
South Island - Woodford Glen - 16th & 17th February 2024
New Zealand Teams - Waikaraka Park - 1st & 2nd March 2024
Streetstock
New Zealand - Wellington - 19th & 20th January 2024
Grand Prix - Stratford - 26th & 27th January 2024
North Island - Meeanee - 9th & 10th February 2024
South Island - Woodford Glen - 6th January 2024
Super Saloon
New Zealand - Cromwell - 12th & 13th January 2024
Grand Prix - Woodford Glen - 19th & 20th January 2024
North Island - Baypark - 2nd December 2023
South Island - Woodford Glen - 10th February 2024
Saloon
New Zealand - Kihikihi - 27th & 28th January 2024
Grand Prix - Stratford - 23rd March 2024
North Island - Stratford - 9th December 2023
South Island - Cromwell - 10th February 2024
Modified
New Zealand - Stratford - 8th & 9th March 2024
Grand Prix - Woodford Glen - 2nd December 2023
North Island - Waikaraka Park - 16th March 2024
South Island - Woodford Glen - 1st December 2023
Sprintcar
New Zealand - Western Springs - 16th & 17th February 2024
Grand Prix - Ruapuna - 6th April 2024
North Island - Western Springs - 11th February 2024
South Island - Ruapuna - 2nd March 2024
Midget
New Zealand - Ruapuna - 3rd & 4th February 2024
Grand Prix - Western Springs - 16th March 2024
North Island - Baypark - 13th January 2024
South Island - Ruapuna - 17th February 2024
TQ
New Zealand - Nelson - 8th & 9th December 2023
Grand Prix - Meeanee - 24th February 2024
North Island - Waikaraka - 16th December 2023
South Island - Nelson - 13th January 2024
Minisprint
New Zealand - Stratford - 17th February 2024
Grand Prix - Palmerston North - 16th March 2024
North Island - Palmerston North - 20th January 2024
Solo
New Zealand - Oreti Park - 13th January 2024
Grand Prix - Moore Park - 17th February 2024
North Island - Rosebank - 3rd March 2024
South Island - Moore Park - 16th December 2023
Under 21 - Oreti Park - 9th December 2023
Sidecar
New Zealand - Palmerston North - 23rd & 24th February 2024
Grand Prix - Moore Park - 6th January 2024
North Island - Palmerston North - 20th January 2024
South Island - Moore Park - 27th January 2024
2022/23 Grand Prix - Gisborne - 4th November 2023
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Post by percy on Apr 29, 2023 14:18:04 GMT 12
Titles in Calendar Format
November
4th - 2022/23 Sidecar Grand Prix - Gisborne
December
1st - South Island Modified - Woodford Glen
1st & 2nd - Superstock Grand Prix - Wanganui
2nd - Modified Grand Prix - Woodford Glen
2nd - North Island Super Saloon - Baypark
8th & 9th - New Zealand TQ - Nelson
9th - North Island Saloon - Stratford
9th - Under 21 Solo - Oreti Park
16th - South Island Solo - Moore Park
16th - North Island TQ - Waikaraka Park
January
5th & 6th - New Zealand Superstock - Meeanee
6th - Sidecar Grand Prix - Moore Park
6th - South Island Streetstock - Woodford Glen
12th & 13th - New Zealand Stockcar - Stratford
12th & 13th - New Zealand Super Saloon - Cromwell
13th - New Zealand Solo - Oreti Park
13th - North Island Midget - Baypark
13th - South Island TQ - Nelson
19th & 20th - New Zealand Streetstock - Wellington
19th & 20th - Super Saloon Grand Prix - Woodford Glen
20th - North Island Minisprint - Palmerston North
20th - North Island Sidecar - Palmerston North
26th & 27th - Streetstock Grand Prix - Stratford
27th - South Island Sidecar - Moore Park
27th & 28th - New Zealand Saloon - Kihikihi
February
3rd & 4th - New Zealand Midget - Ruapuna
9th & 10th - North Island Streetstock - Meeannee
10th - Stockcar Grand Prix - Nelson
10th - South Island Super Saloon - Woodford Glen
10th - South Island Saloon - Cromwell
11th - North Island Sprintcar - Western Springs
16th & 17th - South Island Superstock - Woodford Glen
16th & 17th - South Island Stockcar - Woodford Glen
16th & 17th - New Zealand Sprintcar - Western Springs
17th - New Zealand Minisprint - Stratford
17th - Solo Grand Prix - Moore Park
17th - South Island Midget - Ruapuna
23rd & 24th - New Zealand Sidecar - Palmerston North
24th - TQ Grand Prix - Meeanee
March
1st & 2nd - New Zealand Stockcar Teams - Waikaraka Park
2nd - South Island Sprintcar - Ruapuna
3rd - North Island Solo - Rosebank
8th & 9th - New Zealand Modified - Stratford
16th - Minisprint Grand Prix - Palmerston North
16th - North Island Modified - Waikaraka Park
16th - Midget Grand Prix - Western Springs
22nd & 23rd March - North Island Superstock - Rotorua
23rd - Saloon Grand Prix - Stratford
April
6th April - Sprintcar Grand Prix - Ruapuna
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Post by percy on Apr 29, 2023 14:44:51 GMT 12
Titles by Track
Rosebank Road
3rd March 2023 - North Island Solo
Western Springs
11th February 2024 - North Island Sprintcar
16th & 17th February 2024 - New Zealand Sprintcar
16th March 2024 - Midget Grand Prix
Waikaraka Park
16th December 2023 - North Island TQ
1st & 2nd March 2024 - New Zealand Stockcar Teams
16th March 2024 - North Island Modified
Huntly
None
Rotorua
22nd & 23rd March 2024 - North Island Superstock
Kihikihi
27th & 28th January 2024 - New Zealand Saloon
Baypark
2nd December 2023 - North Island Super Saloon
13th January 2024 - North Island Midget
Gisborne
4th November 2023 - 2022/23 Sidecar Grand Prix
23rd & 24th February 2024 - North Island Stockcar
Meeanee
5th & 6th January 2024 - New Zealand Superstock
9th & 10th February 2024 - North Island Streetstock
24th February 2024 - TQ Grand Prix
Stratford
9th December 2023 - North Island Saloon
12th & 13th January 2024 - New Zealand Stockcar
26th & 27th January 2024 - Streetstock Grand Prix
17th February 2024 - New Zealand Minisprint
8th & 9th March 2024 - New Zealand Modified
23rd March 2024 - Saloon Grand Prix
Wanganui
1st & 2nd December 2023 - Superstock Grand Prix
Palmerston North
20th January 2024 - North Island Minisprint
20th January 2024 - North Island Sidecar
23rd & 24th February 2024 - New Zealand Sidecar
16th March 2024 - Minisprint Grand Prix
Wellington
19th & 20th January 2024 - New Zealand Streetstock
Nelson
8th & 9th December 2023 - New Zealand TQ
13th Jan 2024 - South Island TQ
10th February 2024 - Stockcar Grand Prix
Blenheim
None
Greymouth
None
Woodford Glen
1st December 2023 - South Island Modified
2nd December 2023 - Modified Grand Prix
6th January 2024- South Island Streetstock
19th & 20th January 2024 - Super Saloon Grand Prix
10th February 2024 - South Island Super Saloon
16th & 17th February 2024 - South Island Superstock
16th & 17th February 2024 - South Island Stockcar
Moore Park
16th December 2023 - South Island Solo
6th January 2024 - Sidecar Grand Prix
27th January 2024 - South Island Sidecar
17th February 2024 - Solo Grand Prix
Ruapuna
3rd & 4th February 2024 - New Zealand Midget
17th February 2024 - South Island Midget
2nd March 2024 - South Island Sprintcar
6th April 2024 - Sprintcar Grand Prix
Cromwell
12th & 13th January 2024 - New Zealand Super Saloon
10th February 2024 - South Island Saloon
Dunedin
None
Oreti Park
9th December 2023 - Under 21 Solo
13th January 2024 - New Zealand Solo
Riverside
None
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 29, 2023 17:15:05 GMT 12
Crickey, Woodford Glen wont be wanting a season like the Nth Island has had this season. Trying to get all those meetings run after a few reschedules would be interesting!
That is a massive amount of championships for one track.
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Post by percy on Apr 30, 2023 1:19:38 GMT 12
Crickey, Woodford Glen wont be wanting a season like the Nth Island has had this season. Trying to get all those meetings run after a few reschedules would be interesting! That is a massive amount of championships for one track. Hosting 5 of the 11 South Island titles Meanwhile there are 4 South Island tracks who are not hosting a single title This is what happens when people with rotation expertise are sidelined in favour of someone who talks smooth (and has good intention) but has absolutely no idea of the mechanics involved. They come up with a solution that sounds great but has glaring issues. |
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Post by BarryB on Apr 30, 2023 7:52:07 GMT 12
And this is only Year 1 of the new system. All of the Sprintcar titles are shared between just two tracks (WS and Ruapuna), Woodford Glen is down to host two of the four Super Saloon titles, likewise with the Modifieds, Ruapuna the same in the Midget section. Palmy hosts two of the three Minisprint titles, Rosebank and Moore Park share all four Solo championships (only the U21 to Oreti Park) while Palmerston North and Moore Park have all four Sidecar titles between them. Also, several unallocated titles as well.
And this is only the beginning. It will only get worse in future. Unless something is done it won't be long before somebody is allocated the NZ, GP and Island title for the same class all in one season. Thank goodness the Island titles will always be separated by the stretch of water with few ferries.
Actually, on the "by track" section Percy, you have Ruapuna having 3 of the 4 Sprintcar titles, but I think the NZ Sprintcars should read NZ Midgets?
Barry B
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 30, 2023 10:52:42 GMT 12
Crickey, Woodford Glen wont be wanting a season like the Nth Island has had this season. Trying to get all those meetings run after a few reschedules would be interesting! That is a massive amount of championships for one track. Hosting 5 of the 11 South Island titles Meanwhile there are 4 South Island tracks who are not hosting a single title This is what happens when people with rotation expertise are sidelined in favour of someone who talks smooth (and has good intention) but has absolutely no idea of the mechanics involved. They come up with a solution that sounds great but has glaring issues. I thought as much. Didn't want to say anything. |
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Post by Ramjam on Apr 30, 2023 13:43:14 GMT 12
For the reasons Barry & Percy mentioned and a couple of others this looks nothing short of Mickey Mouse. OK I know there isn't a whole heap of tracks running the some classes so you will very occasionally get two meetings held at the same track or a large number of champs at one track, but for your average everyday occasional fan they turn up and there is a nz champs in ABC class they go to their next meeting a month later and there is a GP in XYZ class 5 weeks later there is a NI or SI Chanps in ABC class. The die hards know why but the average everyday 4 or 5 meets a season punter is starting to think are these guys for real, they're making this stuff up as they go, I'm gunna turn up to palmy (for example) next time and they'll say they're running ABC class for the Pascal st championship and it all just cheapens the titles in their minds,and believe me, they far outnumber the die hards.
That on top of the feast for1 season, famine for 5 seasons effect. What a clustertruck
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Post by percy on Apr 30, 2023 15:20:15 GMT 12
Actually, on the "by track" section Percy, you have Ruapuna having 3 of the 4 Sprintcar titles, but I think the NZ Sprintcars should read NZ Midgets? Thanks for the correction - have updated |
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Post by mainlander on May 4, 2023 19:05:12 GMT 12
Woodford Glen gets 2 Gps 5 Island Titles while 4 other South island clubs get none someone explain how thats fair
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Post by hbhornets on May 4, 2023 22:56:24 GMT 12
Is the stockcar nz and g.p in different islands a thing they want to normalize or that just a werid thing that they are trying. It's really not hard to allocate titles. Face palm.
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Post by BarryB on May 4, 2023 23:40:52 GMT 12
Woodford Glen gets 2 Gps 5 Island Titles while 4 other South island clubs get none someone explain how thats fair Things like overall fairness, geographical spread and any one track getting a heap of titles all in the one season (at the expense of others) have nothing to do with the new allocation model. It's 100% data driven (and that data is simply 'whose turn is it next?' for each and every title, irregardless of what else they might already have that season, with basically no human input to ensure common sense prevails). That's my personal opinion of it anyway, based on what has been allocated for the 2023/24 season and taking into account that this is only Year 1, and the things that have been mentioned in the thread above will only multiply as the years go by. Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on May 4, 2023 23:46:11 GMT 12
Is the stockcar nz and g.p in different islands a thing they want to normalize or that just a werid thing that they are trying. It's really not hard to allocate titles. Face palm. The NZ title and the GP were, in the previous allocation model, always located in the same Island (and, where possible, the GP was allocated to a track within reasonable distance of wherever the NZ title was being held) in a bid to encourage drivers to cross Cook Strait with two major championships to enter on the one trip, if promotions worked together on dates. Since then the Island titles have become open to all drivers in each and every class, so that is no longer an important factor. And if you think "it's really not that hard to allocate titles", you should either do a 5 year block and post it up here for others to comment on (all 4 titles for every SNZ class) or contact SNZ immediately. Barry B |
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Post by GavS on May 5, 2023 19:46:46 GMT 12
Should WS not be fit to run next season due to storm damage, what happens to the allocated titles ?
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Post by percy on May 7, 2023 20:21:53 GMT 12
Should WS not be fit to run next season due to storm damage, what happens to the allocated titles ? That's a good question You may recall this past season the North Island Midget Title was held at Waikaraka Park having been allocated to Western Springs. Whether the SNZ board would allow Western Springs to run more titles at other tracks is an issue for them to consider. Other option is Western Springs has to hand back the titles and other tracks (either by rotation or application) run the titles allocated to Western Springs this season. |
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Post by gravelspreader on May 9, 2023 6:42:27 GMT 12
And according to the Koken Woodford Glen Speedway Calendar South Island Modifieds are December 1, and NZ Modifieds Grand Prix December 2, in conjuction with the Mainland Stockcar Teams also over both nights South Island Streetstock Champs January 6th, New Zealand Supersaloon GP January 19, January 20 South Island Supersaloon Championships February 16th South Island Superstock Championships Qualifying/South Island Stockcar Championships Qualifying February 17th South Island Superstock Championships Finals/South Island Stockcar Championships Finals
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 8:57:02 GMT 12
And according to the Koken Woodford Glen Speedway Calendar South Island Modifieds are December 1 and NZ Modifieds Grand Prix December 2 in conjuction with the Mainland Stockcar Teams also over both nights South Island Streetstock Champs January 6th New Zealand Supersaloon GP January 19 January 20 South Island Supersaloon Championships February 16th South Island Superstock Championships Qualifying/South Island Stockcar Championships Qualifying February 17th South Island Superstock Championships Finals/South Island Stockcar Championships Finals Darn that was hard to read.. heard of full stops chap? Anyway considering there is only 2 tracks in the south that run either superstocks or modifieds, these meetings will be just like a club night to be honest. |
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Post by The Observer on May 12, 2023 19:57:18 GMT 12
And according to the Koken Woodford Glen Speedway Calendar South Island Modifieds are December 1 and NZ Modifieds Grand Prix December 2 in conjuction with the Mainland Stockcar Teams also over both nights South Island Streetstock Champs January 6th New Zealand Supersaloon GP January 19 January 20 South Island Supersaloon Championships February 16th South Island Superstock Championships Qualifying/South Island Stockcar Championships Qualifying February 17th South Island Superstock Championships Finals/South Island Stockcar Championships Finals Darn that was hard to read.. heard of full stops chap? Anyway considering there is only 2 tracks in the south that run either superstocks or modifieds, these meetings will be just like a club night to be honest. …or….. because north island cars can enter South Island titles and the GP is also on it might be keyword NZ titles each night. Don’t be surprised to see massive entries at that modified meeting double header is my pick I think it’s a super smart promotional move Add in the other classes - 6 different teams for teams races and South Island streetstocks and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 200 plus cars in the pits Probably be a good idea to start at 6pm |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 21:40:37 GMT 12
In one sense I do think that south island titles deserve to be won by south Islanders.
But in the other side it could produce far better racing
Will north island modifieds travel?
The invasions of previous years says it all.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Jun 7, 2023 15:18:50 GMT 12
Interesting to see a Speedway NZ remit,next season will be the last season of GPs so North Island and South Island titles can be made bigger and a bit lest congestion on the calender,good to see.
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