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Flat tyres
Oct 12, 2023 21:31:10 GMT 12
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Post by grindingdisc on Oct 12, 2023 21:31:10 GMT 12
News just in today, the rule that had only just been voted in at this years AGM early July by tracks and driver representative's has now just been overturned by SNZ under safety. So as of today you cannot race with outside flat tyres.
The rule
Vehicles with outside flat tyres can continue in the race after reducing their
speed. If they are posing a health and safety risk, the Referee can remove them from the race
It has been said that the discretion from the referee is now not good enough and further migrating step of prevention is needed to be shown
Snz are looking into hiring professional help to effectively upgrade the safety fences with finer mesh which either way can only be good for the sport as its not just the flat tyres that have the potentional debries into the crowd.
Very bad timing considering the rule change was made early in the offseason with plenty of time to make changes to fencing and in some cases tracks literally had their fences down making repairs and changes and its not untill a week after tracks have started racing again to then deside sorry not good enough
It has been said a special agm will be held once tracks are ready for the rule to be changed so we dont end up waiting another 2 years like last time for the agm
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Post by bikeboy on Oct 13, 2023 13:57:40 GMT 12
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Post by interestedbystander on Oct 13, 2023 15:51:22 GMT 12
how flat is flat..some classes hardly have any air in the tyres, what the min psi they are enforcing?
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Post by The other guy on Oct 14, 2023 7:10:30 GMT 12
As usual Health and Safety will stuff something else up in this country.
Not sure why humans arnt born with cotton wool
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Post by speedwayjunkie on Oct 14, 2023 22:39:24 GMT 12
See rule R10-5-35 This is the rule for Open Wheel - the rule should be uniform through the classes Sorry stock cars - one rule for all HEALTH & SAFETY R10-5-31 Vehicle must be operated by one competitor only, with no passengers permitted. R10-5-32 If a competitor unclips their seatbelts or window net during the race they are deemed to have retired. R10-5-33 No competitor will drive with an arm or any part of their body outside the vehicle. (a) A competitor is allowed an arm/hand outside of the vehicle to activate an external clutch and gear system (i) The vehicle is to be in racing gear before the initial race start and all restarts (ii) Activating gear systems is only allowed under green flag conditions to return to racing gear R10-5-34 If a vehicle becomes unsafe during the race it will be removed by the Referee. R10-5-35 If a vehicle receives a flat outside tyre the competitor must immediately retire from the race. R10-5-36 Competitors in stationary vehicles must remain in their seat with belts on until they are permitted to get out by an Official acting on instructions from either the Clerk of the Course or a Steward. This does not apply in the case of fire. R10-5-37 Refuelling is not permitted on the track at any time. |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Oct 19, 2023 7:35:49 GMT 12
When I was at the SNZ agm it was explained to the SNZ board that it is not the running around on flat Tyres that is the problem (that is easy to police) it is when the cars are coming into the corner full sideways and then the Tyre dig's in and pops is when the dirt fly's into the crowd, which you are not going to stop.
If you do have a flat Tyre and are going to fast on it and you are flying dirt into the crowd, which we now have radios to call you off, easy as that.
We are still going to see mud flying over the fence with this rule in place and less action in a big meeting.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Oct 19, 2023 7:37:42 GMT 12
But us as drivers can't use the "health & safety" if we want to add in extra braces to make something stronger which isn't in the rule book. one rule for one but not the other. |
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Flat tyres
Oct 19, 2023 13:06:21 GMT 12
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Post by grindingdisc on Oct 19, 2023 13:06:21 GMT 12
See rule R10-5-35 This is the rule for Open Wheel - the rule should be uniform through the classes Sorry stock cars - one rule for all HEALTH & SAFETY R10-5-31 Vehicle must be operated by one competitor only, with no passengers permitted. R10-5-32 If a competitor unclips their seatbelts or window net during the race they are deemed to have retired. R10-5-33 No competitor will drive with an arm or any part of their body outside the vehicle. (a) A competitor is allowed an arm/hand outside of the vehicle to activate an external clutch and gear system (i) The vehicle is to be in racing gear before the initial race start and all restarts (ii) Activating gear systems is only allowed under green flag conditions to return to racing gear R10-5-34 If a vehicle becomes unsafe during the race it will be removed by the Referee. R10-5-35 If a vehicle receives a flat outside tyre the competitor must immediately retire from the race. R10-5-36 Competitors in stationary vehicles must remain in their seat with belts on until they are permitted to get out by an Official acting on instructions from either the Clerk of the Course or a Steward. This does not apply in the case of fire. R10-5-37 Refuelling is not permitted on the track at any time. Open wheel and contact racing is a completely different form of racing Go put a starter motor on your cars we are sick and tired off motor bikes zooming around the pits and race cars spending back in. Its a safety hazzard, one rule for all cars must start under their own power ha ha |
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Post by spuddy on Feb 18, 2024 7:42:59 GMT 12
Commentators mentioned that a car in the South Island Stockcar qualifying got DQed after his tyre went flat on the scales
Absolutely crazy
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Post by Ramjam on Feb 18, 2024 8:58:24 GMT 12
Commentators mentioned that a car in the South Island Stockcar qualifying got DQed after his tyre went flat on the scales Absolutely crazy Really? So s/he drove onto the scales, in the min or two the car would have been on there a tyre deflated and they were DQed. I know it's only hearsay but something wrong with that story I'm thinking assuming the car was just doing a random weight check. I guess if it was in scrutineering a car has to be presented ready to race, which leads to another issue, a car sits on the scales ready to race... With no driver. How a car can be ready to race with no one to drive it is still beyond me but that's an issue for another day, be interested to hear more about this DQ last night. |
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Post by midway on Feb 18, 2024 10:13:15 GMT 12
I think the sport is starting to leave itself wide open to the rules regarding health and safety .
Lets hope not ,but often see and feel one day it will back fire in there face and SNZ wont be able to hide under the table .
Injuries in sport are being investigated more and more than ever before with prevention a top priority as the spiraling costs in ACC .
it wont be long before you have to take out your own private insurance ,some already do and others hope for the best ..
After watching the impact of a car air borne at the 240,s last night is a classic example ,he was very lucky in deed and that is an example of how this sport is changing ..
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Flat tyres
Feb 18, 2024 11:11:14 GMT 12
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Post by grindingdisc on Feb 18, 2024 11:11:14 GMT 12
If it went flat anytime after the chequred flag it should not have been DQ.. i have seen and had this happen to myself after a race no scales luckily but to be DQ is abosolute bull snz officals power is getting to their heads
No way is that in the intent of the rule
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Flat tyres
Feb 18, 2024 11:15:00 GMT 12
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Post by grindingdisc on Feb 18, 2024 11:15:00 GMT 12
Commentators mentioned that a car in the South Island Stockcar qualifying got DQed after his tyre went flat on the scales Absolutely crazy Really? So s/he drove onto the scales, in the min or two the car would have been on there a tyre deflated and they were DQed. I know it's only hearsay but something wrong with that story I'm thinking assuming the car was just doing a random weight check. I guess if it was in scrutineering a car has to be presented ready to race, which leads to another issue, a car sits on the scales ready to race... With no driver. How a car can be ready to race with no one to drive it is still beyond me but that's an issue for another day, be interested to hear more about this DQ last night. Top 3 have to be weighed after every race at a national title.. The weights are to be recorded with and without the driver before the meeting so the driver can stay in the car as he goes over the weigh bridge.. thought you would no this stuff mate |
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Flat tyres
Feb 18, 2024 11:53:51 GMT 12
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Post by Ramjam on Feb 18, 2024 11:53:51 GMT 12
thought you would no this stuff mate These days the loop is way over 👈that way, and I'm way over this way👉 |
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