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Post by pallmall on Jan 23, 2009 14:21:28 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 14:43:11 GMT 12
I suppose those who are used to them and like them might say it looks nice, but I just think they are the ugliest thing round. God forbid we ever go that way in NZ. I like the sound of her though but she doesnt look to be too quick so far, I know its early days but the videos I have seen may not show her in her best light.. Has a big power plant so i'm sure it will pick up the pace as she gets more in to her work. To me she represents the evolution of superstocks into sprintcars. David Attenborough(spelling?) should get over here and see evolution in progress, what the animal kingdom took millions of years to do, superstocks may complete in a decade. Ford Ys and big bumpers forever!! Keep it Kiwi and so on and so forth... PS I have nothing against Eurostocks, just dont want them here. sorry for being negative Z
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Post by Colin E on Jan 23, 2009 14:50:38 GMT 12
I suppose those who are used to them and like them might say it looks nice, but I just think they are the ugliest thing round. God forbid we ever go that way in NZ. I like the sound of her though but she doesnt look to be too quick so far, I know its early days but the videos I have seen may not show her in her best light.. Has a big power plant so i'm sure it will pick up the pace as she gets more in to her work. To me she represents the evolution of superstocks into sprintcars. David Attenborough(spelling?) should get over here and see evolution in progress, what the animal kingdom took millions of years to do, superstocks may complete in a decade. Ford Ys and big bumpers forever!! Keep it Kiwi and so on and so forth... PS I have nothing against Eurostocks, just dont want them here. sorry for being negative Z I'm with you on that one Zitadel. I have no doubt the quality of the building and engineering would be first class and would be competive. But after years of seeing Stockcars in NZ as we know them and what they have come from to this day, It is just too out there for me. Not bagging them or people who race them, just a bit too different for me. |
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Post by 1 pie on Jan 23, 2009 15:26:03 GMT 12
Whats the weight of it does any1 know?
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Post by Tony on Jan 23, 2009 15:47:32 GMT 12
Zitadel and Colin - I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think that one NZ-built BRISCA car represents a threat to stockcar racing as we know it.
I think Lintern, Collingwood and co have used FWJ as their example - if you want to be competitive overseas, build your own car, test it, run all the bugs out of it and get it set up to suit. FWJ runs with the top guys in 55R/UK, and there's no reason why Collingwood, with more track time, can't be competitive in this beast. The best of British luck to the team!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 17:08:37 GMT 12
Absolutely Inventory1, I may not be keen on them, but that doesnt mean I dont want to see a Kiwi driver doing over there what the great FWJ does over here. Bring it home boys,, its the first time a Eurostock has been built here to race there, I want to see the equivalent of the 240s in Europe won by a Kiwi too!! Z
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Post by joshnz on Jan 23, 2009 19:32:08 GMT 12
I suppose those who are used to them and like them might say it looks nice, but I just think they are the ugliest thing round. God forbid we ever go that way in NZ. I like the sound of her though but she doesnt look to be too quick so far, I know its early days but the videos I have seen may not show her in her best light.. Has a big power plant so i'm sure it will pick up the pace as she gets more in to her work. To me she represents the evolution of superstocks into sprintcars. David Attenborough(spelling?) should get over here and see evolution in progress, what the animal kingdom took millions of years to do, superstocks may complete in a decade. Ford Ys and big bumpers forever!! Keep it Kiwi and so on and so forth... PS I have nothing against Eurostocks, just dont want them here. sorry for being negative Z The F1s look awesome mate,beta than the good old NZ ford Y cars that all look the same. they clock 150k down the straights in uk,they dont stuff around over there |
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Post by john44s on Jan 23, 2009 19:55:37 GMT 12
Zitadel and Colin - I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think that one NZ-built BRISCA car represents a threat to stockcar racing as we know it. I think Lintern, Collingwood and co have used FWJ as their example - if you want to be competitive overseas, build your own car, test it, run all the bugs out of it and get it set up to suit. FWJ runs with the top guys in 55R/UK, and there's no reason why Collingwood, with more track time, can't be competitive in this beast. The best of British luck to the team! If you only new what an imput Clive Lintern has had in the BRISCA car seen over the years you would not be saying that. FWJ has driven a lintern car a few years back |
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Post by 1badmofo on Jan 23, 2009 20:11:22 GMT 12
The F1s look awesome mate,beta than the good old NZ ford Y cars that all look the same. they clock 150k down the straights in uk,they dont stuff around over there Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... As for not stuffing around well I am sure the superstock would destroy the F1 if given a chance. I know they are not built for it but just something to remember. Will Supers end up going this way? With all the talk of injuries etc.... |
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Post by 1badmofo on Jan 23, 2009 20:13:04 GMT 12
and it doesn't float my boat ;D ;D
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Post by wolfysmith on Jan 23, 2009 20:24:15 GMT 12
Zitadel and Colin - I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think that one NZ-built BRISCA car represents a threat to stockcar racing as we know it. I think Lintern, Collingwood and co have used FWJ as their example - if you want to be competitive overseas, build your own car, test it, run all the bugs out of it and get it set up to suit. FWJ runs with the top guys in 55R/UK, and there's no reason why Collingwood, with more track time, can't be competitive in this beast. The best of British luck to the team! Spot On! FWJ has raced in NZ and built a car to ship over to NZ with the purpose of using it when he's in NZ with out having to 'borrow' a car everytime he races. It seems clear to me that Royden, Clive etc have the same thought process only in reverse. Clive has the expertise and was the UK car builder at one time. I don't think that next season you'll see a load of UK style Stock Cars in NZ. Cars in Europe have developed the way they have in isolation of Kiwi cars and vice versa. You have to remeber these cars are built to meet the needs of UK and European tracks and that includes tar racing. Personally, I'd like to see more Kiwi cars over here if means more heavy hitting but, as posts on this forum have hinted at, that results in injuries so I really can't see it happening. Ironically, Rob258 has builty a Kiwi style UK stock car which looks the dogs danglies so it maybe in the coming seasons we see the birth of a hybrid using UK and Kiwi ideas but built to suit the particulars of racing 12,000 miles apart. |
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Post by wolfysmith on Jan 23, 2009 20:33:57 GMT 12
Further to my last post, when Kiwi fans go on about coming to Europe and winning I think that the Litern car is the first step on that road.
The simple fact is that with the current set up, a Kiwi driver isn't never gonna win squat here. Why? Well for a start they use borrowed cars, which to be fair, are not particularly great in terms of race winning machinery and it takes almost the whole time the drivers are in the UK to get the set up right.
The other factor is the time, FWJ has been racing in NZ for over 10 years now. During that time he has amassed an enormous amount of knowledge about NZ Superstocks and the racing. He's used that knowledge to both win and now build himself a competitive car. To win here needs a Kiwi driver coming over for a couple of seasons, for a few weeks at a time and really getting under the skin of UK Stock Car racing with a car capable of winning. The first step has been the Litern car. If Royden can come over here and get some real track time under his belt I reckon in a couple of season's he could well be a serious contender for taking some of our major silverware back to NZ with him.
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Post by pallmall on Jan 23, 2009 20:53:25 GMT 12
I think there are a couple of British young uns that could do well in NZ if they can spend a couple of months at least out here in NZ in decent cars, Stuart Smith Jnr has learnt from last season and is building on it, but needs to do more than 3 meetings. Tom Harris looked right at home in an NZ car at the 240s, I look forward to future visits hopefully. The only thing I would have liked to see on the Lintern car is a bit more NZ design in it. I know the rules are tighter than the days of the Kuriger/Joblin deal, but a step up from that or the Graeme Barr/Lintern spaceframe would have been good to see. But, I guess they have built what they know will do the job. As Wolfy says it is going to need a lot of races in England before a trophy is going to be won, but good luck to all involved. And..............somebody suggested shipping 20 Brisca F1 cars over here for some demonstration races, and then 20 Superstocks to England for the same thing, now that idea floats my boat.  |
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Post by mrf97 on Jan 23, 2009 21:13:43 GMT 12
i reckon it looks cool, i think we should adopt the wings for our cars!!! but mabye that may make them to fast in the corners? could some one post the main differances between these cars and our supers? they look to be built abit lighter than ours? cheers
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Post by 1badmofo on Jan 23, 2009 21:15:40 GMT 12
Send superstocks over there...now would like to see some of the spectators faces especially if they where teams racing as a demo. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by milmil on Jan 23, 2009 21:18:13 GMT 12
I suppose those who are used to them and like them might say it looks nice, but I just think they are the ugliest thing round. God forbid we ever go that way in NZ. I like the sound of her though but she doesnt look to be too quick so far, I know its early days but the videos I have seen may not show her in her best light.. Has a big power plant so i'm sure it will pick up the pace as she gets more in to her work. To me she represents the evolution of superstocks into sprintcars. David Attenborough(spelling?) should get over here and see evolution in progress, what the animal kingdom took millions of years to do, superstocks may complete in a decade. Ford Ys and big bumpers forever!! Keep it Kiwi and so on and so forth... PS I have nothing against Eurostocks, just dont want them here. sorry for being negative Z Hay, how would you like it if you spent hours building some sort of car and sumone writes up its ugly...How would you feel?? From what ive seen at Stratford i liked it and it was very loud!!!  |
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Post by Cheque Book on Jan 23, 2009 21:42:41 GMT 12
I think its looks great, good job by all involved, sounds even better, goes well, can't wait to hear results from the uk,
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Post by rob258 on Jan 23, 2009 22:27:44 GMT 12
Yeah as some one said earlier beauty is in the eye of the beholder but it is just another UK car which I'm sure will go PDQ when sorted as for myself I prefer the NZ look hence the reason my UK f1 is an NZ lookalike and if I knew how to put photos up I would let you all have a look Rob
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Post by pallmall on Jan 23, 2009 22:32:53 GMT 12
Rob, email the photos to me, I will put them up for you.
gj.evitt@xtra.co.nz
I have seen photos of your car, it looks great.
As far as weight goes, I believe the Brisca F1 is around 1350kg, there are also front/rear, and left/right weight regulations.
Rob or Wolfy will correct me if wrong, but I think the weight front/rear, etc are different on shale and tar cars.
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Post by alanbrooke on Jan 23, 2009 22:37:41 GMT 12
UK cars have a minimum weight limit of 1350 kgs and max 1500kgs. In our rules engine size is unlimited but no ally blocks and only 2 valves per cylinder + we have to run commercial back axles. Also, engine offset can only be max 38mm and we limit inside weight to max 52.9% and rear weight must be minimum 55%. We run a bigblock chevy as competative small blocks are too much money at the moment - we have about 530bhp, could do with a bit more.
Point is that we have to use more weight in our engines and back axles so we have not as much spare weight to use on chassis strengthening. However, for our racing we can still make cars strong enough.
There is more of an advantage running a small block as there is more weight that can be used in the chassis - guys like FWJ utilize that to the full - his UK tar spec cars are very strong, but it has to said that others dont use that advantage and use ballast.
I like your cars but I think competative engines will cost more than the engines we use in the UK and with the limitation on inside weight/engine offset, it's not as advantageous to use a spaceframe chassis due to the lighter bracing that has to be used to keep the weight down.
On shale, I doubt that there would be a great difference on lap times between NZ and UK cars but it would be a different story on tarmac tracks.
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