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Post by snowy67 on Jan 27, 2009 14:35:49 GMT 12
"FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE"
I have been a rep and an assistant steward & steward for a few years, this is why I think some meetings, especially titles go to long ( from a reps point of veiw)
1) drivers
2) you give a driver there grid draws on a sticky bit of paper, so he can put it on dash and not loose it..... he looses it
3) drivers in the crowd watching racing !! when they should be griding up
4) driver is on grid 24 and goes and parks on the dummy grid at 2.. has to be then sorted out on track
5) driver has a protest and brings 10 " witnesses/supports/crew" more time waisted ( yes they all get told to go away )
6) drivers not having someone in there crew keeping an eye on which race is up
7) not parking in your "group" so the rep has to run round trying to find you
8) drivers who think they are " someone" wastes everybodys time
9) not keeping an eye on points board.. ( driver checks point board going into heat 3... see's he didn't get points for heat 1... more time waisted while checking this out)
10) drivers arguing as to weather they will do a coin toss or run off
I could go on a wee bit longer but I think you get my drift... one thing I have learnt over the years is that people are always quick to attack the club and SNZ but if they looked a wee bit closer to home they would see what I see
safe racing
trich
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Post by my2cents on Jan 27, 2009 16:48:16 GMT 12
I think the point Snowy is trying to make If we ban all the drivers Things would run smoothly ;D ;D ;D
The other point Snowy is making is if we ban all men things would go even better ;D ;D ;D
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Post by budgetmilk14 on Jan 27, 2009 17:18:58 GMT 12
if wellington had the same gate price as palmy thn maybe welly would have the funds to get the ball rolling and fix the post fast but we think about the fans and have our price low so mre ppl can afford to go to the meeting. All the wrkers up there are volunteer's and spend most of the day up there 2 make the track surface good 4 the drivers. and if u have a successful business and wont to contribute financially thn go talk 2 kevin win and see what you guys can sort out im sure he will be happy to talk. Paid $25 for Te Maura Saturday night. The programs had all sold out. The sparse run down grandstand seating all taken. Paid $25 for PN Sunday night. Sat in the modern new grandstand. Bigger crowd. Better facilities. Are you suggesting I should approach the promoter to see if its acceptable to offer sponsorship? If thats the case I'm wondering if I will also need to be prepared to wipe his bottom for him at the same time? yea the facilities would b better at PN coz thay also hav rugby games held there so the Palmy council would put money into the facilities to make thm good 4 the rugby crowd. the food isnt as good there tho ;D |
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Post by nakiproud on Jan 27, 2009 21:43:30 GMT 12
it seems by your comments snowy67 that all drivers do what you have listed. OK maybe you are right but don't tar everyone with the same brush.not all drivers are like that.Without drivers there would not have been 16... something cars turn up to contest the NZ champs.
From a drivers point I think to be honest as someone posted earlier that all championships run late or overdue due to time to repair fences, watering of the track and many other reasons. What some of you won't realize is that on the second night allot of cars went out for the consolation races and for those of us that were in group two we only got to turn four laps that night.
Never mind the time we spent having to rebuild the cars that Saturday afternoon ready to come out and put in some hard racing and hitting. I know of one stock car racer that renewed the front bumper, front axle shocks and one side rail in what was a race against the clock to get the car ready for Saturday night so his sponsors could see him out on the track mixing it up and putting on a show only to do a part race and be sitting on the bank watching the rest of the night.
Race three as the commentator reported was to be a stock car all in. I went up to the control box to enquire about this as race 1 was consolation group 1, Race 6 was consolation group 2 and the next race was the all in, along with another all in at the end. I spoke with Kevin win and asked the question of did he realize he may have forty cars out on the track as i believed there was supposed to be another consolation race and an all in at the end.
He looked at the program and agreed it was a muck up and they would have to decide what to do before that 3rd race was run. No one heard the call for the all in and when the announcer said it was the stock car all in i would have presumed he was running off the program i still don't know if he was right..Nothing against any of the other classes on the second night but did we really need to run them. they got there track time and we missed out.
I know alot of the cars that had traveled the length of the island to get there were pretty pissed not to get much track time on the second night. Maybe the board needs to step in like they normally do and maybe say or rule that if it is a championship meeting that the cars that are in that championship, eg stock car, saloon, etc get more track time whether they are consolation races or not.
This may in turn shorten the long night but then again the way Zac Thomson was putting them up the fence there may not have been a fence left by the end of the night.
Congratulations to 1NZ, 2NZ, 3NZ
*Please insert paragraphs next time*
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Post by mickeymouse on Jan 27, 2009 22:01:48 GMT 12
I don't think anyone was prepared for the likes of 12E, 99P, 71B and 67A, those guys really threw a spanner in the works on the second night, wrecking cars and fences left right and centre, sure was good to watch at the time but obviously it wasnt good for you guys, the drivers that is, and im in total agreement with you when you say more effort should of been made to give the stockcars, whatever group they were in, more track time at the expense of the mostly local saloons and ministocks.
After all, alot of people came a long way to either watch or race stockcars, that was what the weekend should of been all about.
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Post by snowy67 on Jan 28, 2009 11:19:55 GMT 12
in reply to " nakiproud"
I think you have misread my post... I'm pretty sure I said " some meetings" what I wrote is first hand experience from being a rep/steward for the last 17+ years, it was NOT a personal attack on any one person or any one class or any recent title.
Wise owls thread started with why do some mettings go so long, other people have given there views, watering track/fixing fences/medical emergencies etc, etc, my post was just another view
safe racing nakiproud
trich
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Post by snowy67 on Jan 28, 2009 11:24:35 GMT 12
by my2cents "The other point Snowy is making is if we ban all men things would go even better" NOT so my2cents as there are women drivers as well  safe racing trich |
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Post by copit on Jan 29, 2009 17:15:45 GMT 12
Firstly, let me ask you not to take this personally. There must have been many Wellington club members and helpers who have poured their heart and soul into last weekend’s championship event. Your efforts are appreciated and this is not intended to denigrate your hard work. In most respects your facility is a great place to visit and to race on. Large pits, good access, plenty of water, comfortable clubrooms. However, deficiencies in the track itself made our weekend less of a success than we had hoped for.
I am not talking about race results. Whatever happened on the track is accepted and we move on to the next event.
As a participant – tow vehicle driver, pit crew, cook, organizer – I thought that Friday night went very well – not perfect, but pretty well. Everybody got to race – eventually. The results came out in good time. The track surface was tricky but not insurmountable. There were some delays with catch-fence problems, which should have been a pointer to what happened on Saturday night.
Our car did not qualify. No surprise as the driver seemed to be more interested in joining the stirrers’ group once she finished well back in the first race. We could have towed home to Huntly on Saturday morning to race for points. We chose to stay on and race in the group that largely consisted of drivers who had stirred on the previous night, consequently getting few points, but entertaining at the same time. For many people this is the most interesting group as flag-racing takes second place to contact. There were quite a few flat chassis and flat foreheads out there that could have made the consolation races a real spectacle.
We had family and supporters from Wellington, the Waikato and Palmy there. Our sponsors had flown in to watch their car. We were hoping to race with cars from all over the country. We got one-and-a half laps of racing and that was it. To say the rellies and the sponsors were annoyed would be understating things. A car went through the catch-fence and broke a pole. Not for the first time or the last time this weekend. There was a delay and the race was called. We spent the rest of the night expecting the call for the next race and it never came. We watched Ministocks – very good racing but not quite in the league of Stockcars – and we watched Saloons – again, fine for Saloon fans but not what the public was there for.
The point of all this is that the facility is not up to the standard required for an event of this nature. Stockcars sometimes launch up into the fence. When the fence is sub-standard – that is, unable to take the stresses – there will be delays, and potentially injuries. The wall in Wellington seems to be prone to launching cars – could be the height or the shape – I would be interested to hear some discussion on this point. Combine that with brittle poles and inadequate fencing and you will get delays at best and injuries at worst. Could it be that we saw Ministocks as the management recognised that the consolation Stockcar group was too much risk for the fence?
The reason we were given for not allowing the group out was that the neighbours had complained about the late finish the night before. That doesn’t stack up when so much time was taken Ministocks and Saloons. There was time for fireworks ten minutes after the racing had finished. Did the neighbours complain about that?
There was a lot of disappointment among the consolation group. One can only hope that the money generated from hosting this event will be put back into the racing facilities. It is too late for many of the first-timers who came along to support our team. They were bewildered and disappointed and won’t be back. There may be people out there saying, “Good, who needs them?” This attitude is what holds our sport back as we need to increase our fan
base. They paid $25 each to see their car do just over one lap. Not good enough.
In the end this is an issue for SNZ. The power of Stockcars and Superstocks now demands a re-examination of walls, catch-fences, and overall track safety. Is it time to renew the call for tracks to be graded for large, high-profile events on the grounds of track safety as well as the facility’s overall ability to meet the needs of the paying public and the competitors?
Colin Pitt
9H Stockcar
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Post by Wiseowl on Jan 29, 2009 18:50:12 GMT 12
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Post by Wildcat on Jan 29, 2009 19:07:05 GMT 12
History now move on ,,done and dusted Powers to be would have taken it on board |
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Post by nogrip-31gm on Jan 29, 2009 19:15:15 GMT 12
one question(i ahvent read most of this,its too long)
did they run support classes between stockcar heats?
if they did could they do the first night with only stockys?
i wasnt there so i can comment on it,but its a long drawn out night finishing
after 11pm..
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Post by scotty 911w on Jan 29, 2009 20:31:14 GMT 12
mini stocks and saloons 2nd night only,funny thing i heard today was a guy took his son along on the first night and got bored only watchin stocky's,hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm
on the second night watchin the repair team fixin the fence,i could only but think,what if we had an esky out there doin some entertainin for the crowd ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DBRING BACK SPEEDY!!!!
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Post by nogrip-31gm on Jan 29, 2009 20:53:39 GMT 12
thats when you need an awesome clown doing stunts in mini cars  |
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Post by scotty 911w on Jan 29, 2009 20:57:12 GMT 12
thats when you need an awesome clown doing stunts in mini cars we used to have one,his name was SPEEDY and he had a convertable(converted) escort throwing out lollies to the kids;Dpretending to take on stockcars etc, ;D |
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Post by mickeymouse on Jan 29, 2009 20:59:41 GMT 12
Now we got Ramjam ;D ;D (sorry Ramjam, couldn't resist)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 22:29:58 GMT 12
Now we got Ramjam ;D ;D (sorry Ramjam, couldn't resist) Funny I'm sure the word clown was mentioned more than once in my old school reports. ;D |
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Post by nakiproud on Feb 1, 2009 16:45:43 GMT 12
My apologies snowy67. I know you were making a point. I think they need to address future meetings if they run other classes with a championship and if anything is to go wrong or late that supporting classes should be the first to be dropped. Its always going to be a ongoing problem until it is addressed Even at stratford last night because of a few modified crashes it was surprising how the time flew and before we knew it was 11.00 or there abouts when the last race finished. cheers |
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Post by specks on Feb 1, 2009 18:14:44 GMT 12
Just adding to the topic here on (family oreintated speedway) I myself am not a drinker really but it seems if yr a sponser of a race its ok to get 2 truck trailers put yr local bar/pub including leaners, stools and local patronage with a plentiful supply of alcahole 1.5 meters above everyone else who has paid to watch stockcars at this no alcahole event. Would it be a different issue if it was non smoking except for a few sponsers and freinds sitting on the back of a trailer? Sorry for the spelling !!
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