Prongtek
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Post by Prongtek on Feb 2, 2009 21:21:37 GMT 12
Hi people,
Firstly Rangeview is not a black track, it is a CTRA sanctioned track which means there is a rule book, rules, and procedures to be followed.
Cody I cannot pass any real judgment (as I dont know the whole story) on this incident other than it sounds like one person ( be it flag person or official of some description) with too much to say.
The following is in my words from the rule book so dont take it as gospel quotes.
Any punishment for any incident must come from the head referee on the night.
The maximum punishment that a referee can dish out on the spot for any incident is trailer your car + a $50-00 fine + suspension from the next meeting at that track.
Any punishment above this becomes a formal procedure where a written report of the incident must be lodged with the committee of referees, any decision by the committee in regards to further punishment must be put in writing and handed to the competitor who has the right to put in a formal written objection to this decision.
Best advice Cody is contact the head referee from the night and clear the matter up with them.
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Post by sandy898 on Feb 2, 2009 21:30:08 GMT 12
dont bother racing there. i know a few guys that have raced there and come away dissapointed with the way they run there roundabout. cars wrecked ,bias decisions againsts out of towners etc,etc  |
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Post by xtravert on Feb 2, 2009 21:31:50 GMT 12
If it is not logged in your license or they have not issued you an infringement notice stating the rule broke, then they have not followed the rule book correctly. This is if they follow the SNZ rule book. Highly unlikely by the sounds of it.
I know how it is after an incident where you are not at fault & tempers are pretty frayed, but you should avoid swearing at officials, it does not help your cause. But with the official that swore back at you, that is not good either. My advice would be to stay away from those sorts of tracks & stay where the rules are maintained to a better standard. After all it is supposed to be fun at the end of the day.
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Post by carwrecker on Feb 2, 2009 21:32:47 GMT 12
Jam you trouble maker the trip to Hawaii was meant to be top secret. Oh Well there goes the Hawaiian dancing girls idea Do I still pick ypu up from the airport on thurs arvo, or will you just use the SNZ taxi chit from welly to PN again? Have managed to secure a two for one deal on the girls can you secure a 12 seater. The SNZ card wont cover that many |
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Post by Bulletfan on Feb 2, 2009 21:38:52 GMT 12
yer dude dont waste ya time over there just stick to kihikihi vegas and huntly
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Post by gastech on Feb 3, 2009 6:44:54 GMT 12
If my tired memory serves me correctly an idiot years ago in Hawkes Bay drove his saloon (if you can call a hillman imp a saloon) the wrong way during a race, and was reported to be a bit p*****d, he was banned for life....I worked with the guy for about six months,(and he was a tosser then) and he told me the story, it was backed up by a workmate who had the honour of firing him when he nearly killed himself when showing an apprentice how to use a forty ton brake press.
I can't rememberthe guys name, but it was around the time Mike Flynn was racing
Marty what can you dig up.....
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Post by porry41 on Feb 3, 2009 7:09:33 GMT 12
hmmm i sponsor 5 cars over there .i find this very strange as the president is a very well known identity x scb stocky driver. x huntly & 2 ks announcer mentioned many times on magors .ill also ask one of the drivers i sponsor who runs a mechanical workshop up the road . his version .there are 2 sides to every story & you guys that are rubbishing the place need to get a grip .top saloons (real ones) are welcome there & many run there to test out there cars same as stockcars . they don't have to do this . its a ctra track .but its all ways the tossers that turn up in there scb cars that think they are better than the grass rootes drivers & cars that that track caters for . frank is a gentle giant but never cross him . re log books. they cannot touch your log book & don't let them .but they can give you a written or verbal warning they can do what they like at there track .but thats were it stops . burp |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 3, 2009 7:21:08 GMT 12
If my tired memory serves me correctly an idiot years ago in Hawkes Bay drove his saloon (if you can call a hillman imp a saloon) the wrong way during a race, and was reported to be a bit p*****d, he was banned for life....I worked with the guy for about six months,(and he was a tosser then) and he told me the story, it was backed up by a workmate who had the honour of firing him when he nearly killed himself when showing an apprentice how to use a forty ton brake press. I can't rememberthe guys name, but it was around the time Mike Flynn was racing Marty what can you dig up..... Nothing much escapes me but didnt know this one lol, though duri ng the 90's i missed a few years due to bringing up too many young children I will have a look into this and see what I can find |
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Post by hughesmotorsport on Feb 3, 2009 8:04:02 GMT 12
Was looking at driving up for that meeting, but other commitments prevented me from going, am still keen to head up that way and have a skid. Must say looking at there website, and a few of the pictures on there, the condition of the 3NZ Production "before" and "after" is a little off putting. I know accidents happen, but that looks pretty serious, especially given that its a fairly large car. Lets hope it was just a freak accident, but after hearing Codi's ordeal I am beginning to wonder. Not bagging anyone, just telling it how I see it.
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Post by Rossco on Feb 3, 2009 9:10:05 GMT 12
Well Porry is partly correct ,there are always three sides to every story, His ,Hers and the truth. Well I agree with Porry. Range view has always been very good to us, We were at this meeting but I did not see the race in question.We raced there with 5 saloons. We all had a ball , I got a little close to the wall a few times but can't blame any one. I also agree that heat of the moment things are not always a true indicator of peoples character, I also agree that abusing volunteers is an absolute no no , they stand in the middle for hours , so we can race , and they need to be looked after . Codi you obviously want to race there again, my suggestion is swallow your pride, send a letter stating your version, APOLIGISE for any trouble caused and ,enjoy your future racing . Cheers 77k
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Post by Devilracer on Feb 3, 2009 14:30:41 GMT 12
Codi, there is a committe meeting on the 9th feb, venue to be confirmed, if you want to clear this mess up i suggest you go along and state your case and see what they say. I know someone going if you need a ride.
I cant pass comment on Rangeview as i ve never been but do have mates that race there.
Will get back to you on venue.
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Post by Devilracer on Feb 3, 2009 21:17:51 GMT 12
The committee meeting is at the matmata club at 7.30pm.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 19:25:59 GMT 12
Just like to clear a couple of things up I didnt get black flaged for reveaseing in to the car I got black flaged for giving the offical the fingers and I have a couple of questions
-is given and offical the fingers enough to get black flaged for.
-is swearing at an offical enough to get trailered and banned for life.
-is starting your car as the race finshes enough to get trailered and banned for life.
-if I had no verbal and or writen account off me being trailered and or banned for life should I be able to turn up and race with no problem.
all I wont is your opinion on these questions just a yes or no answer will do.
Codi 91H
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Post by stockcar 32r nick j... on Feb 4, 2009 19:38:41 GMT 12
sounds like its time for a stockcar mate  |
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Post by LRT on Feb 4, 2009 19:40:37 GMT 12
Codi, had a similar thing happen at KK a while back. Had ...shall I say , exchange of words on the infeild with an offical. Sometimes in the heat of the moment things are said by both parties that shouldn't be  . If you enjoy racing there, chuck ya pride in the back seat, get hold of the guy and say sorry. If he doesn't accept it....then give him the finger. ;D |
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Post by stockcar 32r nick j... on Feb 4, 2009 19:41:58 GMT 12
;Dnah give him 2 fingers
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Feb 4, 2009 20:29:32 GMT 12
Just like to clear a couple of things up I didnt get black flaged for reveaseing in to the car I got black flaged for giving the offical the fingers and I have a couple of questions -is given and offical the fingers enough to get black flaged for. -is swearing at an offical enough to get trailered and banned for life. -is starting your car as the race finshes enough to get trailered and banned for life. -if I had no verbal and or writen account off me being trailered and or banned for life should I be able to turn up and race with no problem. all I wont is your opinion on these questions just a yes or no answer will do. Codi 91H May be a life ban from Speedway NZ tracks as well. just front up at the Committee meeting on Feb 9th with a good lawyer. ;D Treat others as you would like to be treated |
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Post by DTM1 on Feb 4, 2009 20:31:14 GMT 12
1.Yes.
2.Yes on the trailering,50/50 on the ban without knowing the officials side of the story.
3.The officials give the call on when a race is deemed to be finished,not you.....and considering you were put on the infield under a black flag ruling,you are held by the flag untill directed otherwise....2 incidents of contrary conduct in one race makes it tough not to agree with a ban.
4.If you're a CTRA member there is protocol to follow,if you're not a member protocol is not required to be followed and i imagine if you decide to "turn up" you will quickly be "turned out".
One thing you should do,is give some thought to how your behaviour on the track...delibrate and illegal contact under a red flag and then abuse of an official when shown the black flag.
and off the track....in the middle under a black flag ruling untill the race is deemed finished by the officials,not when you deem it finished.
would be viewed and dealt with at Huntly,Kihikihi,Rotorua or any other SNZ track?.
You might be young and enthusiastic,but that only covers you for so much before the real world takes action.
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Post by Lucas Injection (72w) on Feb 4, 2009 21:09:49 GMT 12
This doesn't seem like the nice young lad I've raced against a couple of times, but seriously always try and make your points without imflaming a situation (on or off the track or not even at the track). If the guy your argueing with imflames it, just walk away and leave him flaming.
Sounds like the 'f off and don't come back' is just a bit of grouching and unless its backed up with log book infringments etc then its just empty rhetoric.
Concentrate on bigger problems (like how to keep the wellington production guys off the podium when we finally invade huntly !!!) hehe
all the best mate
dan
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Post by Cheque Book on Feb 4, 2009 21:56:34 GMT 12
buy a stockcar,
with any luck Macgor will banned you too.
xxx thanks marty
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. If you enjoy racing there, chuck ya pride in the back seat, get hold of the guy and say sorry.