These are the rules, unless someone cries foul.... (Read 1,343 times)

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

A BOP TIMES REPORT in TODAY'S PAPER
RE: SALOON LAZ-E-BOY SERIES held last Saturday at Baypark.

Where else would change the rules of entry after a race,
and leave competitors in the dark unless they get the BOP Times, and can read?

So you read the rules, discuss them at drivers briefing and go racing ...

Oh dear, I had a DNF, .....

Absolutely amazing! little wonder in an earlier thread submitters were concerned about the quality and consistancy of rulings from time to time!

I'm told a few cried to the officials sometime after the races citing the rule which says all competitors must get points in a points allocated race. Obviously the officials nor the competitors knew this at drivers briefing.

I wonder if the complainant(s) followed the SNZ protest rules and lodged their protest in writing, with $40, within 10 minutes of the results being posted - if not, protest- TOO Late and or invalid?

I wonder if any of the complainant(s) were the same racers who broke the rule regarding re-entering the track after they had retired to the infield in an attempt to gain extra points? Werre those competitors penalised by the ref? Tui Add.

[Aaron Drever]

Do you expect an answer on here Murray?

Not Likely anyway!

I suspect that BP have there reasons for doing this!

Good Coverage by Colin though!

[snoggrat]

Murray all drivers get a programme when they hand in there scrutineering card.
The rules were in there.

If they chose to compete in this series without knowing the rules then I suggest they need to learn to read.

I don't really see a problem with the format

[carwrecker]

Murray for someone who quotes the rule book as often as you do I am surprises you have not looked at the section on Local rules and how they are implemented

[steeldog]

Feb 5, 2009 17:30:44 GMT 12 @snoggrat said:

Murray all drivers get a programme when they hand in there scrutineering card.
The rules were in there.

If they chose to compete in this series without knowing the rules then I suggest they need to learn to read.

I don't really see a problem with the format

I think the problem is that the rules are different depending on what you read. Specifically the awarding of points to non-finishers or not.

I guess the valid point you make though which rule did the competitors believe they were racing under before they started. Because we, the public, are left in the dark a lot of the time about what's going on.

[NutZ]

Nothing wrong with a compromise that saves the promotor shelling out a $1000+ for torn tyres and not having to re run the second race.... is there Murray?

[bernie]

Feb 5, 2009 17:30:44 GMT 12 @snoggrat said:

Murray all drivers get a programme when they hand in there scrutineering card.
The rules were in there.

If they chose to compete in this series without knowing the rules then I suggest they need to learn to read.

I don't really see a problem with the format

must remember to get a program next time I scrutineer a car. ;D ;D

just found myself thinking out loud

[piperacing]

i hear the nz saloon champs are there next year , forget the pit crew just bring your lawyer

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

Feb 5, 2009 19:21:22 GMT 12 NutZ said:

Nothing wrong with a compromise that saves the promotor shelling out a $1000+ for torn tyres and not having to re run the second race.... is there Murray?

Never have I known a promotor to re-imburse a competitor for damage to a race vehicle, likewise never seen a race re-run following a few flat tyres ... We ace at our own risk and generally we have a good handle on those risks as they apply to the various tracks. Needless to say, competitors accept that if they choose to compete at Baypark, it's more likely than elsewhere, they will peel a right rear, choke on their dentures ... etc!

... and as for CARWRECKER
Posted by carwrecker on Today at 6:50pm
Murray for someone who quotes the rule book as often as you do I am surprises you have not looked at the section on Local rules and how they are implemented

Can't figure what carwrecker is trying to say.
As far as I'm concerned, on the information available, the race rules as outlined in the program and discussed at the drivers briefing effectively met the requirement of rule R11-14-14 as unanimous agreement was reached by those present to the different format.

[NutZ]

Feb 5, 2009 22:58:10 GMT 12 Murray Guy (Grandad) said:

Never have I known a promotor to re-imburse a competitor for damage to a race vehicle, likewise never seen a race re-run following a few flat tyres ...

Surely the drivers must have argued for tyre compensation from WK. Some were brand new tyres with an 8" long cut in them. I know I would have.
Losing an under inflated tyre in a rut I could handle.

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

Race cars owners have been incurring significant unnecessary costs for a few seasons at Baypark, including tyres BUT not just confined to.

The race surface provided is a major contributor to breakages, tyre costs and incidents between cars and individually.

To blame 'stock car debri' (BOP Times article) is pure speculation. I read a number of cars lost right rears - does debri only attack right rears and only saloons?

Saloon NZGP at Kihikihi saw a number of competitors incurr huge costs as a direct result of track race conditions, but as NUTZ knows, all drivers who raced chose to do so knowing the risk. I chose to race BUT not aggressively - I finished, no damage, but in 12th. Neil Head chose not to put his car at risk and put his car on the trailor (which is what we all should have done).

Right rear tyre loss can be attributed to many factors on Saloons, including rough track and too low tyre presure, aggressive over driving for conditions, rubbing a fellow competitor, debri in track etc.

Drivers know the risks, choose to race, agreed on the format, control the accelerator and their brake -
SORRY, can't go the promotor in this instance ... heaven forbid!