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Post by epmurc on Feb 7, 2009 21:16:47 GMT 12
Outside of an NZ Champs final, would the field for the Dirt Cup be the best quality field for a single event this season. Entrants include - Current 1NZ
- Current 3NZ (also been 1NZ in another class)
- Current North Island Champ
- Current Auckland and Taranaki Champ and defending champ
- Four Time Winner of the event (and ex 1NZ)
- Current BOP Champ
- Two other ex 1NZ's
That's 40% of the field (give or take) that has either a current or past NZ title or is a regional title holder. Struggling to think of another event that could boast the same stats (although I'm sure someone will have a good go at it) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2009 21:52:20 GMT 12
think you could pick a couple of super saloon meets that could boast similar feats
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Post by percy on Feb 7, 2009 22:23:11 GMT 12
The Midget and Sprintcar division at Western Springs every meeting.
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Post by Aaron Drever on Feb 7, 2009 23:06:42 GMT 12
The Midget and Sprintcar division at Western Springs every meeting. True  |
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Post by MattH on Feb 8, 2009 10:42:49 GMT 12
You could probably rank the world 240's up there as well
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Post by epmurc on Feb 8, 2009 11:37:10 GMT 12
I challenge you to check the stats and back up your comments. Pick a Midget, Sprintcar, Saloon or Superstock race and see if it contains 5 ex or current 1NZ's and multiple previous winners of the same event (plus the other title holders).
If there is one my money would be on the Saloons as Wakeling and Jones' dominance of the Sprinters does limit the number of recent 1NZ's to choose from.
Like I said, I'm quite happy to be proven wrong but I've done my research, now do yours and list the stats.
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Post by Aaron Drever on Feb 8, 2009 11:49:38 GMT 12
I challenge you to check the stats and back up your comments. Pick a Midget, Sprintcar, Saloon or Superstock race and see if it contains 5 ex or current 1NZ's and multiple previous winners of the same event (plus the other title holders). If there is one my money would be on the Saloons as Wakeling and Jones' dominance of the Sprinters does limit the number of recent 1NZ's to choose from. Like I said, I'm quite happy to be proven wrong but I've done my research, now do yours and list the stats. Okies...... Normal Midget Night at Western Springs Michael Pickens 2 x NZ Champion Shaun Insley Current NZ Champion and Runner Up in NZ's Graham Standring 3 x NZ Champion Carl Worboys 1 x NZ Champion Michael Kenndall 5 x NZ Champion Bill Clarkson Current 2nz and Former TQ NZ Champion Shane Allach Former Podum Finisher at both North Islands/NZ's Brad Mosen 2nd North Island Champs Angus McLeod Former South Island Champ in Midgets/TQ's Dave Harding Third in NZ Champs in the 60's Tony Fabish 2 x NZ Champion Lance Beale Former TQ Champion  |
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Post by damo1018 on Feb 8, 2009 11:55:57 GMT 12
Midgets- Michael Pickens, Michael Kendall, Shaun Insley, Graham Standring, Tony Fabish, Carl Worboys, also lance beale was 2times nz1 in tqs and bill clarkson a fromer nz tq champ. , plus alot of drivers raced in america, ausi, won 50 lappers, grand prixs, northislands and been 2 or 3nz.
SprintCars, allan wakeling, carl wilson, jamie macdonald, plus allan haigh nz 1 in modifieds and also ryan o connor 1 nz tqs , plus alot of them been 2 or 3NZ won grandprixs and north islands and raced in usa.
the list goes on
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Post by epmurc on Feb 8, 2009 11:56:22 GMT 12
Nice work Dreves, can live with the first 5 on the list but there seems to be a lot of "formers" in the rest..........didn't ask for that.
Assuming the top 5 were all in the 50 Lapper last night can you please also list if there were any current regional and Island Champs in there and also (multiple) past winners of the event
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Post by damo1018 on Feb 8, 2009 11:59:57 GMT 12
I challenge you to check the stats and back up your comments. Pick a Midget, Sprintcar, Saloon or Superstock race and see if it contains 5 ex or current 1NZ's and multiple previous winners of the same event (plus the other title holders). If there is one my money would be on the Saloons as Wakeling and Jones' dominance of the Sprinters does limit the number of recent 1NZ's to choose from. Like I said, I'm quite happy to be proven wrong but I've done my research, now do yours and list the stats. Okies...... Normal Midget Night at Western Springs Michael Pickens 2 x NZ Champion Shaun Insley Current NZ Champion and Runner Up in NZ's Graham Standring 3 x NZ Champion Carl Worboys 1 x NZ Champion Michael Kenndall 5 x NZ Champion Bill Clarkson Current 2nz and Former TQ NZ Champion Shane Allach Former Podum Finisher at both North Islands/NZ's Brad Mosen 2nd North Island Champs Angus McLeod Former South Island Champ in Midgets/TQ's Dave Harding Third in NZ Champs in the 60's Tony Fabish 2 x NZ Champion Lance Beale Former TQ Champion also standring 4times 2nz and 3 times 3nz, 1nz tqs and 2 nz tqs also beale 3NZ 3Aus in midgets and 3nz in tqs also fabish 2x 3NZ also angus north island tq, champ, 2nd southisland sprint car champs you could go on for ever |
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Post by greg on Feb 8, 2009 12:00:37 GMT 12
Nice work Dreves, can live with the first 5 on the list but there seems to be a lot of "formers" in the rest..........didn't ask for that. Assuming the top 5 were all in the 50 Lapper last night can you please also list if there were any current regional and Island Champs in there and also (multiple) past winners of the event Yup current Waikato Champion 2NZA Bill Clarkson Jnr, Current Huntly Champion 8K Steve Shanley, Current Rosetown 30 Lapper Champion 95A Tony Fabish, Current NI Champion 54A Michael Pickens. Only really missing Taranaki Champion 75S Lydia thingyinson out of the NI events. |
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Post by damo1018 on Feb 8, 2009 12:01:45 GMT 12
Nice work Dreves, can live with the first 5 on the list but there seems to be a lot of "formers" in the rest..........didn't ask for that. Assuming the top 5 were all in the 50 Lapper last night can you please also list if there were any current regional and Island Champs in there and also (multiple) past winners of the event north island champs 1 2 and 3 are were there and also 1 2 and 3 in grandprix and 1 2 and 3 in nzs. |
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Post by epmurc on Feb 8, 2009 12:09:57 GMT 12
So, no surprises that the 50 lapper "appears" to come out on top.
But given it is probably THE premiere Open Wheel event out of ALL the classes and pays a truckload of prizemoney, its' no wonder it attracts a top class field, including international drivers, like moths to a flame.
Dirt Cup looks like its' still running 2nd though, any more takers?
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Post by damo1018 on Feb 8, 2009 12:25:21 GMT 12
yeah but even on a normal night with no americans, all those drivers we listed race there every meeting.
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Post by percy on Feb 8, 2009 13:01:18 GMT 12
Epmurc, we haven't even started with the 50 lapper as we haven't mentioned the achievements of the Americans. As Damo points out all those Kiwi guys are there every meeting.
No doubt the Modified field is a good one but it's no better than what we see every meeting across town.
It's enough to get me to Waikaraka Park for the first time this season but to call it the "best field for a single event" is stretching it.
It's probably the best field for a Modified event outside the NZ Title but lets not get too carried away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 13:29:02 GMT 12
How would world of stocks finals night field compare... considering you have to be 1,2 or 3 NZ and island and 1 or 2 GP to make the field unless you qualify thru other means
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Post by epmurc on Feb 8, 2009 20:34:57 GMT 12
Epmurc, we haven't even started with the 50 lapper as we haven't mentioned the achievements of the Americans. As Damo points out all those Kiwi guys are there every meeting. I was asking a question, not making a statement that it was the best field. The list of midget drivers you present is classy indeed, but it does throw up an interesting observation. Follow this link for a list of NZ Midget Champions over the years www.speedwayarchive.co.nz/default.asp?Page=MidgetNZand it seems to suggest that there has never really been any consistent and genuine quality midget drivers outside of Auckland.......ever! Or would this be because until recently, there was never really anywhere outside the Springs for them to race, in which case it's no challenge to assemble a quality field when you have a monopoly on the venue. |
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Post by Naki on Feb 8, 2009 22:00:38 GMT 12
It's obvious ain't it??
A feild with only 8 cars....
Involving Nelson and Palmy..
You do the math of titles been won from all of them drivers.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 8, 2009 22:28:41 GMT 12
The NZ Superstock teams champs at Palmy. .All sorts of title holders and experianced teams racers 60 plus superstocks,usulayy 70 plus the second night
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Post by BarryB on Feb 9, 2009 9:07:53 GMT 12
There is NO beating the World of Stocks at Rotorua.
Last year, the 1nz, 2nz and 3nz
1st, 2nd and 3rd in the NI Champs
1st, 2nd and 3rd in the SI Champs
1st and 2nd in the GP
All current champions of course.......this year will be no different
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