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Post by Cheque Book on Feb 10, 2009 20:17:42 GMT 12
Perhaps if the SNZ requirement for clearances was wiped,
along with the need to be a member of a specific club -
we would overnight witness clubs and promotions that respected the competitors,
clubs and promotions working in together.
Perhaps?
grandad posted this today on macgors, but it dose make you think about the whole control of our own cars, 100% agree the rules snz need to stay in control.
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Post by bernie on Feb 10, 2009 20:32:26 GMT 12
Perhaps if the SNZ requirement for clearances was wiped, along with the need to be a member of a specific club - we would overnight witness clubs and promotions that respected the competitors, clubs and promotions working in together. Perhaps? grandad posted this today on macgors, but it dose make you think about the whole control of our own cars, 100% agree the rules snz need to stay in control. I like the idea but I reckon the only winner would be the one with the biggest cheque book, Mrs cheque book would win hands down ;D ;D |
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Post by trucker400 on Feb 10, 2009 20:51:13 GMT 12
I agree they should be wiped then a lot of cars would race more at the tracks nearest them,you only have to look at the Palmy list to realize there are too many outsiders registered for it just to be DOLLARS most of them are there because they have been stuffed around in the first place by their original tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2009 20:58:53 GMT 12
I agree they should be wiped then a lot of cars would race more at the tracks nearest them,you only have to look at the Palmy list to realize there are too many outsiders registered for it just to be DOLLARS most of them are there because they have been stuffed around in the first place by their original tracks. 2 contradictions in 3 lines, not bad really. EDIT, Na make that 3 in 3 lines |
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Post by Devilracer on Feb 10, 2009 21:35:10 GMT 12
What if, good question, but cant see it happening. Some of us just race where we want anyway.  |
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Post by ex tank68p on Feb 10, 2009 22:29:04 GMT 12
I agree they should be wiped then a lot of cars would race more at the tracks nearest them,you only have to look at the Palmy list to realize there are too many outsiders registered for it just to be DOLLARS most of them are there because they have been stuffed around in the first place by their original tracks. do you think this is why drivers race in palmy just for the dollars ?? im sure you will find that palmy has out of town drivers contracted for the competition against some of the countries top drivers |
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Post by karencarey on Feb 11, 2009 9:01:02 GMT 12
Perhaps if the SNZ requirement for clearances was wiped, along with the need to be a member of a specific club - we would overnight witness clubs and promotions that respected the competitors, clubs and promotions working in together. Perhaps? In my opinion it would do the exact oposite. One of the reasons that the competitor base on any given night here in Nelson in classes such as superstocks, super saloons, tq midgets etc is increasing is because of the contract/clearance system. Having drivers contracted to a club then means the clubs have a responsibility to those competitors to provide them with top quality racing and the competitors have a responsibility to the clubs to provide entertaining racing in front of their home tracks. The first thing we do at the begining of the season is sit down and plan our stand down roster. This is the single most important part of programme planning. If we have a race meeting scheduled on a night when a class we run has their NZ, Island or GP title they are stood down reguardless of whether our competitors plan to attend. This means we as a club are showing support for the club running the title and the title itself. It allows the competitor to attend without any divided loyalties. We then work with the classes and the other clubs to stand down any class wishing to attend the meetings they traditionally suport eg Canterbury Champs, Battle of the Stocks, Jim Bradford for TQ's, Barry Butterworth etc. This means we work with the host tracks on dates often swapping classes eg Woodford Glen release super saloons for the series, Nelson release the Tigers for the McCall trophy. Both tracks get a great promotion, drivers get quality competiton and the crowds get a value for money race meeting. It also means that any series being run needs to be kept fairly small and very well co-ordinated so as to not take drivers away from any given track more than once in a season. We then make sure that the classes are racing at home as much as possible when there is no away racing ensuring the crowd gets to see all classes as often as possible. It means that drivers who do not traditionally travel for work, family, financial or whatever reasons still get lots of racing at home often with good sized fields supported by the visitors returning as a thanks to our guys for supporting them. This is now starting to work with the NI drivers as well. Nelson supports their events and they are starting to come back for meetings such as the Easter Champs. Without the contracts with the drivers I would never know where the drivers were going to be on any given night as they could change their minds 2 days out from an event I had advertised and decide to go to someone else who offered more (not just money). Eventually we just would not be able to schedule racing for those classes as we could not rely on quality fields and would probably end up with our classes that do not traditionally travel (ministocks, productions, streetstocks etc) as our mainstays. This would lead to drivers selling cars due to no home racing. It would mean someone looking at getting into one of the less budget classes opting not to due to the lack of racing at home. It would lead to drivers losing sponsors as they get no home based promotions. It is really hard to get all the things I have mentioned working in sync but the rewards are worth it and it is starting to pay off big time down this way. The drivers appreciate the effort and put the effort back into the club in return. |
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Post by sonic33 on Feb 11, 2009 9:37:51 GMT 12
Well done to all concerned Karen. I mentioned on another thread that the clearance sytem could work if applied in the right manner. You guys seem to have it sorted.
It appears some places in the Nth Island either have internal politics, egos, or promoters that don't work together. Some tracks are lucky enough to have all of the above.
There are so many examples of Nth Island tracks running events for the same class on the same night hence the watering down of competitors at both events. The worst would have to be the Sprintcar GP vs Springs mega dollar event. Both on the same night, split fields and the springs not running the following week.
It's not the system that is not working, it's some promoters and clubs.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Feb 11, 2009 9:54:13 GMT 12
I like the idea but I reckon the only winner would be the one with the biggest cheque book, For the saloon class (and I suspect those classes not considered the mega budget classes) the clear majority are not attracted to a specific race meeting, venue, by the size of the prize money as we recognise that the bulk of the money goes to a small minority. With no clearances required for our classes the clubs / promotions would have to attract competitors with hospitality, track conditions, working in with neighbouring venues, quality officialdom. How does Motorsport New Zealand operate these days? Are members forced to belong to regional clubs? |
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Post by racn96 on Feb 11, 2009 10:03:44 GMT 12
maybe instead of changing the clearance system we just need to get the promotors etc (abradickheadhams) ti pull there fingers out of there rear end & start working with the drivers & help them by letting them go to meetings & get experince & fly the home track banner. i understand they cant always let people go otherwise thered be no cars to race but working with the drivers would help
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Post by strx7 on Feb 11, 2009 10:52:14 GMT 12
How does Motorsport New Zealand operate these days? Are members forced to belong to regional clubs? You must belong to a MNZ Club to hold a MNZ Competiton license, be it Clubsport, National or International. And belonging to a MNZ affiliated club, allows you to compete in basically ANY event run by any MNZ affiliated club anywhere in NZ provided your car meets the requirements for that event. |
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Post by Cheque Book on Feb 11, 2009 20:37:32 GMT 12
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I like the idea but I reckon the only winner would be the one with the biggest cheque book,
Mrs cheque book would win hands down ;D ;D[/quote]
Lol
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Post by jamo91 on Feb 11, 2009 20:45:06 GMT 12
Perhaps if the SNZ requirement for clearances was wiped, along with the need to be a member of a specific club - we would overnight witness clubs and promotions that respected the competitors, clubs and promotions working in together. Perhaps? In my opinion it would do the exact oposite. One of the reasons that the competitor base on any given night here in Nelson in classes such as superstocks, super saloons, tq midgets etc is increasing is because of the contract/clearance system. Having drivers contracted to a club then means the clubs have a responsibility to those competitors to provide them with top quality racing and the competitors have a responsibility to the clubs to provide entertaining racing in front of their home tracks. The first thing we do at the begining of the season is sit down and plan our stand down roster. This is the single most important part of programme planning. If we have a race meeting scheduled on a night when a class we run has their NZ, Island or GP title they are stood down reguardless of whether our competitors plan to attend. This means we as a club are showing support for the club running the title and the title itself. It allows the competitor to attend without any divided loyalties. We then work with the classes and the other clubs to stand down any class wishing to attend the meetings they traditionally suport eg Canterbury Champs, Battle of the Stocks, Jim Bradford for TQ's, Barry Butterworth etc. This means we work with the host tracks on dates often swapping classes eg Woodford Glen release super saloons for the series, Nelson release the Tigers for the McCall trophy. Both tracks get a great promotion, drivers get quality competiton and the crowds get a value for money race meeting. It also means that any series being run needs to be kept fairly small and very well co-ordinated so as to not take drivers away from any given track more than once in a season. We then make sure that the classes are racing at home as much as possible when there is no away racing ensuring the crowd gets to see all classes as often as possible. It means that drivers who do not traditionally travel for work, family, financial or whatever reasons still get lots of racing at home often with good sized fields supported by the visitors returning as a thanks to our guys for supporting them. This is now starting to work with the NI drivers as well. Nelson supports their events and they are starting to come back for meetings such as the Easter Champs. Without the contracts with the drivers I would never know where the drivers were going to be on any given night as they could change their minds 2 days out from an event I had advertised and decide to go to someone else who offered more (not just money). Eventually we just would not be able to schedule racing for those classes as we could not rely on quality fields and would probably end up with our classes that do not traditionally travel (ministocks, productions, streetstocks etc) as our mainstays. This would lead to drivers selling cars due to no home racing. It would mean someone looking at getting into one of the less budget classes opting not to due to the lack of racing at home. It would lead to drivers losing sponsors as they get no home based promotions. It is really hard to get all the things I have mentioned working in sync but the rewards are worth it and it is starting to pay off big time down this way. The drivers appreciate the effort and put the effort back into the club in return. You mean you actually know which classes are going to be racing at each meeting in advance? . . . . . . . next you will be telling us you can supply a drivers list as well ;D ;D Did you ever think about re-locating past the Bombays . . . . . . |
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Post by karencarey on Feb 11, 2009 20:51:35 GMT 12
Yep. I can tell you in October what classes we will be running in March. Of course there are the very rare occassions when we may have to make a slight alteration. Cant normally supply the drivers list till the week before though. Slack eh?  |
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Post by TonyT on Feb 11, 2009 21:07:52 GMT 12
Karen, while we have you here, are there any ways you (as promoter) would like to see the contracting/clearance system changed to improve it?
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Post by jamo91 on Feb 11, 2009 21:17:56 GMT 12
Karen, while we have you here, are there any ways you (as promoter) would like to see the contracting/clearance system changed to improve it? . . . . .and how do you feel about world hunger ;D ;D |
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Post by karencarey on Feb 11, 2009 21:20:54 GMT 12
I think that if it is going to be used it needs to be policed. We have had drivers turn up here without them and when we ask for them they say oh we just don't worry about them at our track. Like wise we go away all the time and very rarely get asked for them. I do think they are a good thing and they make programme planning a lot easier knowing who is where and when.
I have a lot of ideas on how to make it more user friendly etc but it would take pages and people would probably get bored. Also don't want to start an arguement. I still believe it comes down to drivers showing loyalty to their tracks and to the home tracks of other drivers who support them and promotors working together more to get the best out of the competitors and race dates available and in turn providing the best possible to the competitors and fans.
Loyalty, respect and common courtesy goes a long way.
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Post by karencarey on Feb 11, 2009 21:22:18 GMT 12
Karen, while we have you here, are there any ways you (as promoter) would like to see the contracting/clearance system changed to improve it? . . . . .and how do you feel about world hunger ;D ;D That is sad too. Could feed them a few of those Waikaraka Promotors. |
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Post by TonyT on Feb 11, 2009 21:32:35 GMT 12
Loyalty, respect and common courtesy goes a long way. Cant argue with that.  |
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Post by nrp165 on Feb 11, 2009 21:41:25 GMT 12
I firmly believe that it's time for this to happen in NZ.
This is the system used in the UK........but it does require the promoters to work together.
The Regional based system in place has given the sport a good base......in this day and age,the fans expect the best show for their entertainment dollar.....by tracks working together on a fixture list,some travel money being agreed on,and not expecting to run every Saturday night,a fan could pick where to go,and expect to see a top class meeting.
The country's road system probably wouldn't lend itself to totally national travel-but any way to get tracks in reasonable proximity to work together has to be worth looking at.
The other alternative is to get 20 or so Karen Carey clones to promote more tracks.............seriously,it's been so infuriating to watch egos at work pulling the sport apart in the upper North Island.
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