Drug and Alcohol Pit Policy (Read 5,470 times)

[Cheque Book]

Jun 23, 2009 22:15:56 GMT 12 Nat S said:

We have entered a professional age

This comment takes the prize. ;D ;D ;D

Professional ?? ??

Prize money doesn't show this,
Crowd numbers have dropped off,
Most tracks are run down old and looked good in 70s,

The price of cars have gone up "yet others say to much"
The costs of weekly racing has gone up,
Traveling has gone up,

Prize money and travel money hasn't. ;


I cant see how our sport has entered a PROFESSIONAL AGE.

Thats why i spent $35k + building a new car,

So i can have a few beers and take the piss out of a few of my mates.

I never spent the money to be a Professional stockcar racer,

Mainly because it would take the fun out of it.

I know a few drivers who get to drive for free ,

But don't know anyone who gets paid to drive. And could call them self Professional.


Our sport is stuck in the dark ages the general Joe public think we are all black t-shirt, black jeans, piss drinking bogans, Have a look around at the crowd next meeting and see how many suits are walking around,

Maybe at Western Springs.

[MadMarty13B]

Pretty much hit the nail on the head Cheque book

[Nat S]

With attitudes like that Cheque Book its no wonder we are stuck in the dark ages

[Cheque Book]

Jun 24, 2009 11:33:14 GMT 12 Nat S said:

With attitudes like that Cheque Book its no wonder we are stuck in the dark ages

Explain to me "thebourbanator" how someone who make such a statement,

Base on what facts. Do you have that would support the comment.

When Rugby became a PROFESSIONAL AGE, the sport ALL BLACKS and NPC player were paid,

What puts Speedway anywhere near this.

Other than about 6 meetings no TV coverage, No national Sponsors, I cant see any changes other than the PC bulls*hit we have got into Like Drug testing. That would bring our sport into Professional age Yes we have a CEO great, but who pays for that, ? ? ? Unlike NPC with Air New Zealand we the drivers pay, (I'm 100% behind having a CEO" but come on why is it Speedway cant get into PROFESSIONAL AGE,

Because we are in the dark ages ?? there a big difference walking in to Jade stadium - eden park the cake tin with a big Sponsor in the sign's, than WP - Stratford - Wellington Speedway,


Why cause they are old and run down,


Come on Stay with me on the dark side and have a few drinks Way cheaper. $15 to get in to a black t-shirt and JD's than $75.00 to seat in row 126 b paying $6.00 for a lion red.

[petero]

only a spectator, yet what we saw and had to endure over two nights at the W240's was not good.
Had problems with spectators misbehaving.
Wrote to Sonya and her team and got told too hard to police, will leave as is.

what really was disturbing was the alcohol being drunk by the chilly bin load at the top of turn 4 by crew members in their team gear. Their driver would finish a race and most of the crew disappeared into the pits.

Okay, so some teams may have been out for the night, and not all returning to the pits actually working on a car ??
yet hard not to add 2 + 2 to get 4 as to what is going on.

If you had a zero tolerance in the first place and policed this then you have happier spectators and limits the potential for crew to be drinking.

For now the policy is on the door on the way in yet the security (and their instructions) seem to come from some one eyed guy from Canterbury.

[The Godfather]

Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are those in which athletes receive payment for their performance. While men have competed as professional athletes throughout much of modern history, only recently has it become common for women to have the opportunity to become professional athletes. Professional athleticism has come to the fore through a combination of developments. Mass media and increased leisure have brought larger audiences, so that sports organizations or teams can command large incomes. As a result, more sportspeople can afford to make athleticism their primary career, devoting the training time necessary to increase skills, physical condition, and experience to modern levels of achievement. This proficiency has also helped boost the popularity of sports. [1]

Most sports played professionally also have amateur players far outnumbering the professionals. Professional athleticism is seen by some as a contradiction of the central ethos of sport, competition performed for its own sake and pure enjoyment, rather than as a means of earning a living. Consequently, many organisations and commentators have resisted the growth of professional athleticism, saying that it was so incredible that he has impeded the development of sport. For example, rugby union was for many years a part-time sport engaged in by amateurs, and English cricket has allegedly suffered in quality because of a "non-professional" approach

This exert was taken from an online encyclopedia, does it help any with the term ''professional'' ??

[percy]

Cheque Book,

If speedway is to get a national sponsor and increased television coverage, would it not be of benefit for the sport to have a professional image before we get these things? How would speedway attract a national sponsor without a certain level of professionalism?

And I think you are confusing professionalism (projecting a professional image by acting in a professional manner) with being a professional (e.g full-time rugby player).

[Rusty]

Jun 24, 2009 13:25:05 GMT 12 percy said:

Cheque Book,

If speedway is to get a national sponsor and increased television coverage, would it not be of benefit for the sport to have a professional image before we get these things? How would speedway attract a national sponsor without a certain level of professionalism?

And I think you are confusing professionalism (projecting a professional image by acting in a professional manner) with being a professional (e.g full-time rugby player).

I feel speedway is a hobbie slash sport. Dosnt need to be professional (I dont even know how to spell it lol) Driver drinking before meeting is a no no. But I dont see why the crew sjouldn't be allowed some of the time they are paid by piss to help out. They get S.F.A (any one with a IQ of more then 50 should know what that abbreviation means) They pay to get in, see only a few races a night so they shouldn't be treated so hard. In the end its the drivers responsibility to make sure he aand his vehicle are safe and fit to drive.

I know Im most probley gonna get jumped on for saying this but Sidechair riders and swingers should not have to be drug tested as they must have to take something to do something so mad. BIG UPS to the sidechair boys

After the meeting is when the social side of things kicks in drivers and crew get trollied and mix and mingle. but instead of trying to stop that side of things speedway Ne Zealand should put more emphasis in stopping drink driving afterwards on way home from speedway as we still see a lot of this. and if a driver loses his rad license for D.I.C should they be allowed to race?

[Cheque Book]

Percy You do more damage to speedway with your misinformed write ups on your web site than if i drove around with a JD's in one hand and a joint in the other.


Maybe you should give up your arm chair and get a car.

[percy]

Jun 24, 2009 13:34:33 GMT 12 Cheque Book said:

Percy You do more damage to speedway with your misinformed write ups on your web site than if i drove around with a JD's in one hand and a joint in the other.

Perhaps instead of launching into a personal attack you might want to answer the question I have put to you

[BarryB]

Jun 24, 2009 13:34:33 GMT 12 Cheque Book said:

Percy You do more damage to speedway with your misinformed write ups on your web site than if i drove around with a JD's in one hand and a joint in the other.

Somebody writing their own personal view or opinion on the happenings as they see it, cannot really be construed as "misinformed", surely?

If clubs want their spectators to be more informed they should ensure their programmes carry more information and their commentators relay everything they want put out there.

These comments are getting a little off track though, which is not that unusual ;D

[donga]

There is another issue with alcohol in the pits. Does it breach the clubs Liquor License by allowing patrons etc to drink in the pits after a meeting. I am pretty sure it breaches Wacky Parks license.

[Cheque Book]

I disagree with that fact speedway needs to become more professional.

Its always been race for the love/fun of it. Not for the money ,

" mainly cause there is none but mostly because before id take money to race i want every person who works hard to run a meeting paid, Without them we couldnt race "

Same as pit crew these guys do for the love of the sport ,

Crews can put 30+ hours in a week all so we can drive for 15 mins on a sat night, All Unpaid hours,

If they want to have a few drinks Before and after then Sweetas,

i haven't seen a driver drinking at a meeting unless his car on a trailer.

but after i am always one of the last to leave a club rooms,

Same most Friday nights "cant bloody scratch myself"

Belly full of piss the night before nothing wrong with it.





As far as BarryB posting goes "Misinformed is the comments towards the running of a meeting, Unless i myself are misinformed Percy has never been involved in any club/committee which has run a meeting, Doesn't know the work it takes into running a meeting. Yet sits behind his keybroad year after year moaning giving his rating out of ten, His quality of reporting is -1 out of 10 in my books. i be happy to give him his money back and not see him at any meetings. He is ungreatful little man who likes to bag the club and people who try to do there best, Just like any one who bags my club i stick up for them. Thats my right as a proud member who helps to improve what we sell each week"

[Deleted]

This is not a discussion on if speedway is or should be professional if you wish to discuss take it somwhere else this is about the drug and alcohol pit policy and weather crew should be test please get and stay on subject.

Codi 91H

[Cheque Book]

You need to get off your high horse,


NO SNZ DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TEST PIT CREW.

These crew are not members of SNZ nor are most members of any club,

Lets face it how much is the cost of testing and who is paying. a drug test for an employee costs around $300.00 if you want to dismiss on the test you need to spend another $485.00 getting it retested and listed as to what drug it has in it.


Next they will want our DNA at green sheeting.



An ex high profile Speedway driver moved into NZV8 fail a drug test, Yet 12 months on NO BAND nothing has happened why,
its still with lawyers, The courts agree the room where the test was taken in, the hands which it passed though all are not qualify up to the international motor sport standards to take a cup of piss and test it. for drugs who will win,

The man with the most money fact. Lawyers are great at that. NZV8's will run out of money before he dose, good on him too, this PC crap is all good but like very rule there's away around it.

[GavS]

Cheque Book im please to know that if you or your crew had been drinking before a race and they failed to do something ie not tighten a wheel nut, due to the fact that they could resist alcohol or drugs for a couple hours, and that wheel , or in our case(sprintcars and other open wheels) a car when over the safety fence and killed someone, you could sleep at night, I know i couldn't

when crewing im responsible for bolt checks, tyres , and setups, 2 of these could easily turn fatal, esp if under the influence

[Apples]

Because i dont drink much or do drugs at all, i have been quite on this one but it seems to need another point.

i dont mind the drinking going on but i think there is a time for it,
i head to the track to race, i leave when its finished, i dont think that filling yourself up with the drink will make people any smarter so i chose no to do it, i dont pass my thoughts on to what people do with there lives as i feel that the day after is for relaxing not feeling like you dies the night before.

the thing i dont want to happen is that if im returning from a race. and all drivers will know that sometimes the temper is over boiling point under the helmet if something has happened. the last thing i want to be looking for is the crew of the car next to me stumbling over for them to take a bumper to the head and kill them. you may say that its only a few drinks we are talking about, or the fact sometimes people fall over with out drinking but i dont want the chances incressed when they dont have to be.

everyone is open to there own thoughts on what i have to say but there is a time and a place for a few quiets, in the garage, clubrooms or pubs, but if your there to work (payed or not) i believe the pit area should be drug and alcohol free till the gate is opened at the end of the night.

[Dirt_Fan]

I would prefer if my crew were alert and on the ball.
Not all crew members feel the need to get sloshed but a can imagine some have, and if they are working on my car(pulling it apart and putting it back together)i would want them to know exactly what they have done and need to do.
If there is a need for a drink weather it be for enjoyment or for payment as rusty puts it leave it for the end of the night.
just my opinion

[Rusty]

Jun 24, 2009 18:20:29 GMT 12 Apples said:

Because i dont drink much or do drugs at all, i have been quite on this one but it seems to need another point.

i dont mind the drinking going on but i think there is a time for it,
i head to the track to race, i leave when its finished, i dont think that filling yourself up with the drink will make people any smarter so i chose no to do it, i dont pass my thoughts on to what people do with there lives as i feel that the day after is for relaxing not feeling like you dies the night before.

the thing i dont want to happen is that if im returning from a race. and all drivers will know that sometimes the temper is over boiling point under the helmet if something has happened. the last thing i want to be looking for is the crew of the car next to me stumbling over for them to take a bumper to the head and kill them. you may say that its only a few drinks we are talking about, or the fact sometimes people fall over with out drinking but i dont want the chances incressed when they dont have to be.

everyone is open to there own thoughts on what i have to say but there is a time and a place for a few quiets, in the garage, clubrooms or pubs, but if your there to work (payed or not) i believe the pit area should be drug and alcohol free till the gate is opened at the end of the night.

what about if your gat never shuts because gates should never shut

[alloyplatypus]

Jun 24, 2009 18:19:31 GMT 12 GavS said:

Cheque Book im please to know that if you or your crew had been drinking before a race and they failed to do something ie not tighten a wheel nut, due to the fact that they could resist alcohol or drugs for a couple hours, and that wheel , or in our case(sprintcars and other open wheels) a car when over the safety fence and killed someone, you could sleep at night, I know i couldn't

when crewing im responsible for bolt checks, tyres , and setups, 2 of these could easily turn fatal, esp if under the influence

.. and are you sayin that on a Satuday Afternoon/Evening, you couldnt handle that after drinking or havin a joint on the Friday night?.. cos thats what Chequebook is saying. Hes not sayin drive from the pub to the track lol. Drivers.. maybe check.. but crews.. hell no! When i raced, the crew spent many hours during the week working on the car, for free and the love of it, and Friday nite was normally their social night, cos Saturday night was at the track! Who am i to monitor them? Til, speedway pays enough to pay the crew and become REAL professional, then i dont think that is fair at all. Maybe SNZ should go to Tui for sponsorship.. in the meantime their next billboard could have "Speedway IS a professional sport" on it.