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Post by GavS on Jun 24, 2009 18:49:07 GMT 12
no im saying sat be sober, fri night (if not racing) do what you like, just be alert on sat night
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Post by bernie on Jun 24, 2009 18:50:14 GMT 12
I think we all know this is about common sense , there are to many rules and to many people think the answer to a problem is another bloody rule.
Cheque book raises a good point about who can and cant be tested, who can do it and what happens with the test. Ive been through this at work and random testing is just another mine field of bloody rules. One company I worked for cut randon testing from quarterly to annually , had to stand down to many people.
During the meeting the pits is no place for grog , after the meeting go for you life. if you are going smoke in the pits use common sense. If you set yourself on fire smoking in the pits, don't blame everyone else for your own stupidity.
How easy is that
I don't smoke or drink , gave them up for carbs.
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Post by grubbyoldman on Jun 24, 2009 19:19:00 GMT 12
What i do the night before racing,and after race night is my business.If we are not racing race night is also my buzzo.No matter what i may indulge the night before racing it is still in my system.U want to test me ???NO WAY.Race time is race time,Leave the rest for a few hours.
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Post by jamo91 on Jun 24, 2009 20:04:05 GMT 12
What i do the night before racing,and after race night is my business.If we are not racing race night is also my buzzo.No matter what i may indulge the night before racing it is still in my system.U want to test me ???NO WAY.Race time is race time,Leave the rest for a few hours. I don't drink at all  , but my crew certainly make up for that  I cant remember the last time they were sober on any night, let alone a race night . . . . . . . , I can't think of any test they would come close to passing but they sure are good at fixing broken things  |
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Post by mike88g on Jun 24, 2009 20:10:04 GMT 12
I would love to know what gives some of you guys the right to think that you are not in the wrong by racing with any drugs or alcohol in your system. Same goes for your crews. What if they don't do their jobs properly and let your cars on the track in an unsafe state?
It would be the rest of us who are likely to be the innocent party if anything were to go wrong.
I am all for testing.... both drivers and crew. I don't care if the crew members are not members.... they are on the club property taking part in a club activity. The clubs have rules. If you don't like the rules, then don't go.
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Post by grubbyoldman on Jun 24, 2009 20:26:15 GMT 12
Mike 88g Are you saying that Stockcars should rule my life  .Get your hand off it.What i do in my time is my busness.Last man to rule the way you are talking ,was Hitler.You cant tell people what to do in there own time.Somthing to do with human rights. |
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Post by porry41 on Jun 24, 2009 21:10:26 GMT 12
my saloon was drunk one nite .back in the days when we had pit raffles i won a bottle off some crap super market whiskey .so we tipped it in the tank ;D every body crashed as i passed them (fumes) plus did a good job cleaning the plugs .i could tell you another goodie too . & i was drunk eh eh  |
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Post by mike88g on Jun 24, 2009 21:18:05 GMT 12
What you do in your own time and place IS your business.
It is the residual effects of want you partake in that can be the problem. If whatever you what to abuse your body with takes X amount of time to leave your system, then you should not be involved with speedway until after that time. I choose to not take drugs at all, or drink before a meeting, to keep myself and others safe. So why should the actions of anyone with drugs or alcohol in their system put me or anyone else at risk??
(This is not a dig at you or anyone in particular.)
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Jun 24, 2009 22:39:40 GMT 12
i agree mike.
you wouldnt do it on the roads where other peoples safety is at risk.why should peoples safety mean any less at speedway.
remember, its the things you think will never go wrong that usually do
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Post by sketchy on Jun 25, 2009 0:13:05 GMT 12
Im not against people having a drink at speedway.and if they want to get stoned its their choice.
accidents happen yes, is it an accident if I were to clean a gun drunk and not lock it up after cleaning and a kid shots himself with it?its negligent verging on manslaughter.
I wouldnt want it on my concience.and Id rather not be put at risk by someone else actions.but you take a risk similar to that anytime you get in a car these days road or otherwise.
I dont like it, but its the world we live in. a drug and alcohol test rule wont fix it.month bans for drinking before the end of the meeting in the pits should deter it..but then its not gonna fix it unless the clubs find volunteers to police it(who wants to be the party pooper?)....oh wait "its the club captain...didnt see it"
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Post by Cheque Book on Jun 25, 2009 8:42:14 GMT 12
I think a number of you are way off track,
There is very few crew that would drink while there cars are out there, now adays, If any,
But what this is about is TESTING drivers and pit crew.
Can a track / SNZ test a member of the public for drug's or alcohol. My crew are just that. They paid to get in just like mum and dad on turn 4, They are not memebers of SNZ so what right dose SNZ have to test Non members ... .. .. . NONE
it would be agaist human rights.
Also this testing. Has to be done by a min of GP not some lab tech, or a school nurse. International motorsport guide lines.
Is the testing that is being done following the right guide lines,
Would there finding stand up in a court, Let face it, thats where SNZ have been taken too in the last few years and made to look far from professional.
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Post by Sharns With Sparky on Jun 25, 2009 10:16:39 GMT 12
I think a number of you are way off track, There is very few crew that would drink while there cars are out there, now adays, If any, But what this is about is TESTING drivers and pit crew. Can a track / SNZ test a member of the public for drug's or alcohol. My crew are just that. They paid to get in just like mum and dad on turn 4, They are not memebers of SNZ so what right dose SNZ have to test Non members ... .. .. . NONE it would be agaist human rights. Also this testing. Has to be done by a min of GP not some lab tech, or a school nurse. International motorsport guide lines. Is the testing that is being done following the right guide lines, Would there finding stand up in a court, Let face it, thats where SNZ have been taken too in the last few years and made to look far from professional. i think this comment has summed it up really |
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Post by mike88g on Jun 25, 2009 17:38:21 GMT 12
If someone is working on vehicles in the pits, I don't think that SNZ would class them as public. They are under the control of the driver they are crewing for and therefore would be under the same rules as the rest of us competitors.
Sounds like a lot of guilty parties voicing their opinions!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by grubbyoldman on Jun 25, 2009 18:00:08 GMT 12
Not guilty parties.Just people sick of being volunteers.As it is a lot of drivers cant get crew.Now you say Drug and alcohol test these people  .What next, A prayer session before racing.(no offence ment) |
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Post by bikeboy on Jun 25, 2009 18:05:53 GMT 12
all though i think Cheque book went over the top the way he tried to explain it, he has a point, at what point are you going to test to? are you going to throw pit crew out for testing positive for pshydoepherdrine, which they are taking because they have a cold?, if you start drug testing were are you going to stop? And is there a problem now?, testing is not free and why would we start spending money on it if there is no problem.
as Cheque Book puts above, i have never seen or heard of pit crew drinking during the races, and i would believe any club in the country would throw the out if they were.
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Post by bernie on Jun 25, 2009 19:22:33 GMT 12
all though i think Cheque book went over the top the way he tried to explain it, he has a point, at what point are you going to test to? are you going to throw pit crew out for testing positive for pshydoepherdrine, which they are taking because they have a cold?, if you start drug testing were are you going to stop? And is there a problem now?, testing is not free and why would we start spending money on it if there is no problem. as Cheque Book puts above, i have never seen or heard of pit crew drinking during the races, and i would believe any club in the country would throw the out if they were. There are a bunch of acceptable levels for most things, THC, barbiturates, alcohol , phsuedoefedrine, even steroids. Generally a swap is taken from inside the cheek to confirm presence of a substance and then its pee in a bottle, under supervision. Into sealed container and off to the lab, (will it turn blue or not). Theres a scary thought, supervising your pit crew taking a wiz. |
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Post by grubbyoldman on Jun 25, 2009 19:34:56 GMT 12
Bernie.you have the nail on the head.There are lots of class 1-2-drugs in other prescribed drugs.What im on and why is once again MY BUSSINESS ;D ;D.
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Post by Nat S on Jun 25, 2009 20:21:43 GMT 12
At the end of the day if the policy only talks about Competitors (Drivers) not crew then crew having nothing to worry about do they...Simple answer to the original question asked. Everything else that has been mentioned comes down to morals and behaviour rather than policy, we can all have a good time with out being silly, providing we are not in breach of any club rules or liquor bans one would presume?? If your crew want to misbehave (not saying that anyone involved in this conversation does) to a point where you as a driver get taken before the board and you let them, so be it, you bear the consequences....that is not related to the Drug and Alcohol policy that was raised in the original question on this thread is it... The "Policy", be it alcohol, anti-doping whatever you want to call it is a Sparc requirement. If there isnt a policy in place then funding can be put at risk, whether said policy is being implemented correctly is a whole different topic altogether. All this talk makes me want to go and have a Bourban and i Cant god damm it!! So those of you that can, can you have one for me to |
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Post by Cheque Book on Jun 26, 2009 8:45:43 GMT 12
If someone is working on vehicles in the pits, I don't think that SNZ would class them as public. They are under the control of the driver they are crewing for and therefore would be under the same rules as the rest of us competitors. Sounds like a lot of guilty parties voicing their opinions!!! ;D ;D ;D Mike88g Story 1: So i go spend $15,000.00 At Mike engine shop on a new engine it running like a bag of s--hit, i call you and you send you worker down to have a look on sat night, He's in the pit's with my arm band and a t-shirt on, SNZ want a drug test, He fails. ?? ?? ?? i get a 12 month band, all because he had a drug which the international motor sport call a band drug. cold and flu, ? So thats OK in your eye's ?? Story 2: grub goes to a sleeperee house and sniff a crack for a $200.00 for half an hour. On this crack there coke, he wakes up in the morning, Cant remember anything about the last 12 hour's. turns up at 2.30 loads the car. off to the track we go, O s--hit a drug test, he fails, driver gone for 12 months over something his crew cant remember doing, the crew member can go the next week and crew for somone else and SNZ have no control over him as he's not a member. The whole thing is crap. i rather not take the drug test than and get a called in front of the broad than risk it., As far as being guilty Yes i have fail a test before for THC however thats a whole different story. Big deal it not a secret i seem to been test afew times since and passed. Testing MY Crew Fu*k off... |
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Post by generalnuisance55i on Jun 26, 2009 10:31:28 GMT 12
Was just having a read of all the posts & thought id have my 2 cents wroth.
I for one say no to the testing for alcohol & drugs at the track.
I say this because when i have my pit crew & mates over home on a friday night helping to get the car ready for saturday i will get a box or 2 for the boys to drink just to say thanks for there time to help.
On race day my crew & myself dont open a bottle till the gates are open after racing but the night before may still show up in a test & that would suck getting banned that way.
As for the drug side of it as its not my cup of tea.
But I think we have to get real with it.
If thay drug tested all the speedway drivers how meny do you think would pass with todays day & age.
On race day its me ( the driver ) thats responsible for my crew & that thay follow the rules at the track but after the racing its each to there own.
Thats my thoughts about it
Cheers
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, but my crew certainly make up for that 
.Get your hand off it.What i do in my time is my busness.Last man to rule the way you are talking ,was Hitler.You cant tell people what to do in there own time.Somthing to do with human rights.
.What next, A prayer session before racing.(no offence ment)