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Post by Markus M on Nov 7, 2009 9:50:47 GMT 12
Manawatu steelers will be there with 5 palmy cars Do you know who's in the team chris ???Pretty sure 99P Ron Tye would be there 38P Neil Coley  Cheers |
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Post by craige on Nov 7, 2009 10:48:50 GMT 12
ron tye 99p, niel coley38p , graham ward 97p ,rob mason 34p not sure who 5th one was
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Post by Sharns With Sparky on Nov 7, 2009 10:55:42 GMT 12
wasnt it saus 557p? |
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2009 11:00:27 GMT 12
Some of you guys are still forgetting about the paying customers and as one of them I and five others i know walked away from the huntly teams event a few years ago after one night .
Haven't been back since although will most likely have another shot at it this season if enough teams can be assembled .
It's partly the reason why I haven't traveled for any teams event in a few years now .
Just think , if the commentators admit to being confused then how the heck is Joe Blow in the stands going to get on .
It's probably worse with the stockcar teams because they are constantly changing unlike some of the superstock teams who are reasonably consistant in their make up.
Mediocrity thrives behind the cloak of anonymity .
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Post by alloyplatypus on Nov 7, 2009 13:08:37 GMT 12
Just think , if the commentators admit to being confused then how the heck is Joe Blow in the stands going to get on . A few years ago we raced at Baypark and the Palmy team raced against the Bulldogs as a one off teams race.. and every car was completely in gloss black with team numbers.. argh. Someone chucked some big V stickers on the front of the Bulldog bonnets, but it was still a shocker. At the time our 2Ks bodies were matt black, and our tracks most regular visitors the Stormers were also black. I think colour registration is a must, if teams want to run colours. While numbers cause id problems within the team for public. Similar or same colours is the bigger problem causing public to not even know which side everyone is on. |
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Post by alloyplatypus on Nov 7, 2009 13:14:41 GMT 12
colouring books ! they would be black and white. You colour in the cars they are despatching.. comes with a blue crayon  |
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Post by oceans11 on Nov 7, 2009 13:15:17 GMT 12
Macgor me thinks you do protest too much!! If youve not traveled to a teams meeting for years you may not quite be up with the play. There is no i in team, imagine an All Black team taking the field all in different coloured practice jerseys. Our stockcar teams represent our track, the team colours reflect the passion we have for our region, our supporters dress in our colours, it all engenders our sense of family/whanau and i believe spectators follow teams not so much individuals in teams racing. Sure the likes of Peter Reese has his fans not matter what type of racing he is doing but the Palmy fans probably want to see the Pumas win more than any individual. Team bodies are great they galvanise the fans more, perhaps the numbering could take into consideration the fans, but going back to the past!!! If you always do what youve always done etc.
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Post by percy on Nov 7, 2009 13:15:47 GMT 12
I hate the teams numbers. Don't know who is who which really defeats the point. Personalities and cars is what speedway is all about. So painting the cars the same and taking away the personalities makes about as much sense as making Mannering the Warriors captain.
I'd like to see Wellington and Palmy dictate to teams what colours they run to avoid clashes. If the teams don't like it they don't race. It is extremely unprofessional not to mention confusing to have two teams of the same colour.
As for the numbers, if there is a late withdrawl then sure just swap the number but drivers should be running their registered numbers as much as possible.
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2009 13:28:27 GMT 12
When you think about team efforts etc.
How about the All Blacks .
Imagine if there were no star players , they were all of the same build, they used their own unique confusing team numbers and changed players often .........and wore balaclavas over their heads .
Do you reckon their fans, if they had any left, would tolerate it ?.
Speedway seems to think it's ok .
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2009 13:32:05 GMT 12
.and in reply to ocean11 .
I can live with the team bodies but I sure as heck can't if they are combined with the team numbers nor if the colours are similar to another team .
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Post by knownotmuch on Nov 7, 2009 13:45:32 GMT 12
How much for a set of numbers? Is that too much to pay to make some of our prime events better for the paying public? As for team colours, even in primary school team sports both teams are not allowed the same team colours. Yet in speedway we can! Go figure.
Teams racing could be our most promotable event to the non-speedway public, why don't we use quarter of a brain and make the best of it.
Having said all this I will still turn up to watch as many teams races as I can get to.
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Post by oceans11 on Nov 7, 2009 13:59:29 GMT 12
Maybe teams should register their proposed colour schemes with SNZ and they advise teams of clashes. Or wouldn't it be great if tracks talked to each other and sorted potential colour clashes out. With the first criteria being not to confuse the paying customers. To that end what about a numbering system that goes, if you have a five car team the numbers run 1,2,3,4,5 and for six car teams add 6. Simple really, maybe those that like more complicated numbers to confuse the opposition need to rethink, don't really think this kind of simple system is going to impact markedly on performance!!!!!
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2009 14:09:21 GMT 12
The thing is oceans11 is that the remit to fix the problem was lost at the AGM(drivers vested interest) so I figure the tracks/promoters themselves need to address it.
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Post by Sharns With Sparky on Nov 7, 2009 15:19:16 GMT 12
got told the palmy team are going to get named after tonights racing so it sould be a good meeting tonight
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Post by supastocknut on Nov 7, 2009 19:10:21 GMT 12
Personally i think drivers should be using registered numbers and as for bodies, yes all tracks should have registered colour scemes as there is nothing worse than two teams with the same colour body work!! Panthers - Hawkeyes, Rebels - Allstars, Rascals- Gladiators, This sort of thing is not good for paying public or the look of the whole show. imagine an NZ vs aussie rugby match and both teams were in black........bloody crazy!!  |
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Post by eddiek on Nov 7, 2009 22:17:32 GMT 12
Just announced - Waikato Raiders.
48H Scotty Gallop
71H Tyson Wootton
88H Justin Hutchby
6H Lindsay Trotter
36H Mark Caldwell
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Post by BarryB on Nov 8, 2009 9:33:14 GMT 12
Teams racing could be our most promotable event to the non-speedway public, why don't we use quarter of a brain and make the best of it. Ahh, my favourite subject........but macgor, Percy and others have pretty much summed up my feelings already. The above is a very good quote as well........ |
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Post by LRT on Nov 8, 2009 10:31:35 GMT 12
When you think about team efforts etc. How about the All Blacks . Imagine if there were no star players , they were all of the same build, they used their own unique confusing team numbers and changed players often .........and wore balaclavas over their heads . Do you reckon their fans, if they had any left, would tolerate it ?. Speedway seems to think it's ok . ;D Good point macgor but i reckon after some games they would want to put a balaclava over their heads. I know as a suporter I want too!!!! My personal opinion is....Race as you race. Sure some individuals will come under a fair bit of attention quickly, but when they are targeted it is for a reason and I'm sure they would handle it. Everyone has a favorite driver and from the stands it can be very hard to track that driver on a busy track. |
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Post by stubbs5115 on Nov 8, 2009 11:31:37 GMT 12
Personally i dont care about the numbering system because im there to watch teams racing, not wondering where a certain driver is coming in the race. I understand they keep the numbers the same for financial resons and im ok with that, we all try save money where we can so.
I think people should stop being so picky on that i dont mean to offend anyone but not all new zealand speedway clubs can afford to keep signwritting new numbers on the bodies everytime a new driver enters the team.
Im sure they announce the drivers name on a grand parade so maybe write that into a programme if the programme doesnt tell you.
Why should huntly be the club to ban the numbering system anyways? That to me sounds like a SNZ job
Once again not taking a dig at anyone just giving an opinion
Cheers stubbs5115/jordon
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Post by BarryB on Nov 8, 2009 12:12:15 GMT 12
It's about following the race too, in that you can be watching car 838 in the lead, glance away at something that attracts you out of the corner of your eye, look back and see 383, 338 and 838 all circulating together. Some people just go for the crashes, but it's much more enjoyable if you can read the race, watch the tactics and see things before they actually happen as well.
Stockcars are much more difficult that the Superstocks, as many more drivers Teams Race, most of us don't get to see them all that often, which makes it even more difficult to learn the shapes and any differentiating features.
It's not just about being able to spot your favourite car/driver, it's about enhancing the entertainment for both the true fan and the casual spectator, both of which pay at the gate.
Matching team bodies started a great trend, clashing colour schemes undid some of the good work, and the dumb numbers some teams use have almost defeated the purpose in some respects. It's easily fixed, somebody just needs to grab the bull by the horns and lead the way - somebody that understands their paying customers. Who will it be?
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