nz production saloon champs??????? (Read 1,367 times)

[Bulletfan]

just a quick one someone might be able to reply when is the production saloon class going to have there own nz champs they been around long enuff and enuff clubs run them with good numbers maybe some of the biggest numbers on the night.....??anyone?

[bigredcorvette]

Well the productions have a combined NZ title with the ministocks in ashburton every year .

[Deleted]

I have tryed to get production saloon a national title but every time send out emails i only get a few saying we will reply in a few weeks after a commity meeting and a few weeks go by and nothing there are a couple of tracks that do support the national title for production saloons.

Codi 91H

[Athene]

bulletfun productions are a regional classes ineligible for snz nz championships

pg 40/41 of the rulebook should explain it all

[Bulletfan]

yer man i have seen that ashburton do run one but do you think a car from the north went down there and won that title and brought it back to there club..lets say rotorua huntlu of gisboure do you really think they would be aloud to run a no1 on there car???
as for codi you can only try mate ..
how many track run NZS PRODUCTIONS
ROTORUA
KIHIKIHI
GISBOURE
HUNTLY
WANGANUI
wellington
dont you only need 6 tracks to run the class

[Deleted]

You only need six AGREEING tracks before you can get considered for national status.

Codi 91H

[Deleted]

i can tell you now that there is far more people against this than for it, as i told cody, huntly will not support this and i have also had emails from other tracks saying they are not for it,
also know alot of more seasoned /experienced drivers that are not keen on it,
it will ruin the class, those who have been around speedway for sometime know what national titles do and bring out in some drivers,
this is an entry level and realisticaly feeder class to help people get a taste of speedway and hopefully for those that can afford to step into another class and then try for a title if they so wish,

no offense to streetstocks but they are or more to the case were a similar class as productions earlier on with their status but look at the dramas they seem to have at titles now,
ive said it before and ill say it again, productions do not need a national title,
and if you look at it from a promotional point of veiw it could not be run as a stand alone event as it would not pull a crowd to make it viable

[tank11]

Too true Gribbs.

[Glenn, Ex 269s]

Ferndene Speedway (Egmont village, just out of New Plymouth) are running the CTRA NZ production saloon champs on Sunday 24th Jan, Entry forms are on the Ferndene website for those interested in a skid on the big track www.jokana.orconhosting.net.nz/page7.html

[33i]

sorry gribbs but i personally think you are wrong,snz said a couple of years back they would watch this grade and if it grew they would look at giving it nz status.
i see you have most tracks in the north running them and in the south the tracks running them are to the best of my knowledge.
invercargill.
dunedin.
cromwell.
christchurch.
blenheim.
nelson.
greymouth.
westport
so there is another 8 tracks so i think more than enough to give this grade nz status if you consider other grades that are only run at 4 or 5 tracks in nz and they get nz champs but canot get enough entries to run north or south island titles in their grades.
i cold guarantee this would not happen in this grade.
i also think the spectators would support a big field of productions at tracks that run them successfully in an island or nz title.
snz makes the rules for this grade so why not give them status.
also gribbs your statement about the streetstocks,look at the way the titles are run by snz officials and there is your problem with this grade,if a car is illegal dont let the darn thing race but its not what they do,if the officials took a proper stand at streetstock titles and refused the illegal cars to race maybe it would clean this grade up,if people are going to get away with infringeing at streetstock titles its going to keep happening like it would in any grade in any form of motorsport.
rules are made to be obeyed but sadly in this grade no one seems to uphold them.

[Deleted]

Nov 12, 2009 21:18:22 GMT 12 33i said:

also gribbs your statement about the streetstocks,look at the way the titles are run by snz officials and there is your problem with this grade,if a car is illegal dont let the d**n thing race but its not what they do,if the officials took a proper stand at streetstock titles and refused the illegal cars to race maybe it would clean this grade up,if people are going to get away with infringeing at streetstock titles its going to keep happening like it would in any grade in any form of motorsport.
rules are made to be obeyed but sadly in this grade no one seems to uphold them.

and this is exactly what will happen in productions,alot of what the snz officials find is internal in the cars which they dont check until top 5 or six are found, you will get guys cheating to win, you will get guys coming into the class with loads of money that just want to win a nz title therefore making this supposed budget class more unafforable to stay at the front, as it is guys are out there cheating and trying to push the rules and interpret them how they feel they should read, the rules are there in black and white, i know of a few cars around that are outside the rules a little at the mo or others that turn up to the track with tyres larger than in the rules, it all there in black and white,
would also love to hear from promoters out there willing to put their hand up to run this event, it a budget class and with the cost of ferrys how many would cross to other island to race in it ,then finding a field of twenty cars from potentially 50 to 60 cars involes two nights, then a sponser and club to put up at least 5000 but more likely closer to 10000 in prizemoney etc to run it and hope to make most of that back from running the meeting , lots to think about really

[33i]

well you are correct in what you say regarding cars flouting the rules ie:tyres bumpers etc that are easily seen,so why are they alloud to race.
if they were a premier grade like superstocks,stockcars,supersaloons,sprint cars would they be alloud to run with the wrong tyres or bumpers etc???
pretty simple answer NO.
at last seasons nz streetstock title we were told by snz officials at drivers breifing that there were only 15 to 18 cars that were legal but they were letting all 60 odd cars run,what a b----y joke would never have happened in any of the premier grades at nz champs level.
and snz wonder why there is a problem,pretty darn simple awnser.
so why are the cheaper grades alloud to?? because snz officials dont give a toss and until they do and do their jobs properly over all grades we will have this problem.
all we ask fo is police every grade the same and the majority of the problems will go away.
if no one is going to uphold the rules for any grade it will be open slather for cheating as we have in these 2 grades

[Deleted]

i agree with you there that they do need to be inforced,and having been apart of lots of nz champs, ni titles and grand prixs, they are great to be a part off, but take a look at it from a promotional point of veiw

[Bulletfan]

At the end of the day production boys pay the same subs to join tracks and they are the only class with no titles.....maybe a north island south island title for starters ...all classes should be treated the same and all class reps should be pushing for it....
as for cheating in the class ....dont quote me on this but shouldnt the green sheeting and class reps be helping with this ....from where i stand i see no cars in rotorua doing it maybe a few years ago ....yes.... but if you want to go fast now just buy a honda ...haha.....
if i remember rightly last weekend in rotorua there was 3 different winners and they were 3 different honda models lololololol

[mike88g]

Nov 13, 2009 15:31:02 GMT 12 Bulletfan said:

At the end of the day production boys pay the same subs to join tracks and they are the only class with no titles.....maybe a north island south island title for starters ...all classes should be treated the same and all class reps should be pushing for it....
as for cheating in the class ....dont quote me on this but shouldnt the green sheeting and class reps be helping with this ....from where i stand i see no cars in rotorua doing it maybe a few years ago ....yes.... but if you want to go fast now just buy a honda ...haha.....
if i remember rightly last weekend in rotorua there was 3 different winners and they were 3 different honda models lololololol

Whether we pay the same sub and licence fees or not,,, this is no reason that we should be a national class. We all started to race in this class knowing that it was a regional class and a budget class. I am with Gribbs on this. It should never become a national class. If this did happen, there would really be no class that the average Joe Bloggs could start in without spending mega bucks.

A reps job is just that. They are a representative between the drivers and SNZ referees and the clubs. They have no say and are not there to enforce rules. Greensheeting just makes sure that the cars are safe and abiding by the rules at the beginning of the season. Vehicle checkers can check a vehicle and it can be illegal 5 minutes later. It is up to the competitors to make sure that their cars are legal and safe during the rest of the time.

[Jonesy51]

Just Came up with the best idea in the world. How about all the Production Drivers Come to gizzy on the 28-12-09 for our Champ Of Champs meeting and then we can see who is the best ;D ;D. But really if there is anyone that wants to come just pm me and ill get back to you ASAP.

[Wayne]

I'm sure we could Change the Professional Fleet Maintenance Gisborne Production Saloon Champs. to Professional Fleet Maintenance North Island Production Saloon Champs. $500 first place aint to bad either and travel money. Could be worth the trip.

[Deleted]

Nov 13, 2009 18:44:04 GMT 12 Wayne said:

I'm sure we could Change the Professional Fleet Maintenance Gisborne Production Saloon Champs. to Professional Fleet Maintenance North Island Production Saloon Champs.

Not without SNZ permission you couldn't, and I think you know as well as I do how you would get on with that request.

[trucker400]

If you call it the North Island Trophy or North Island Cup its not a problem,you can only use the word championship with out SNZ prior approval for your local track champs.

[Kirkie Jnr]

Ashburton did a great job in running it in sync with nz ministock title.
some good numbers showing and some great close racing.

pity bout all the FWD's