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Post by The Observer on Dec 2, 2009 8:22:28 GMT 12
Hi All,
A quick question - have minisprints ever run wingless anywhere?
Having only really seen the class in PN or welly, and the odd time at Huntly, it always seemed like the little datsun motors didn;t quite have the horsepower to make the rear end step out, and get the exciting sideways action like you get from the sprints/midgets. Which, at times, can make the racing a little tame-ish.
I've been told the reason is more the down force generated by the wings.
If the wings were taken off, it might see them get a bit looser, and a bit more exciting.
As well as be a novolty event. Anyway, that was my thinking - has it been tried before?
cheers
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2009 12:07:26 GMT 12
If you take the wings off them they will look like midgets.
If you take the wings off them you most probably could call them midgets(F2).
If you take the wings off them and call them midgets then midgets will be more numerous and run at more tracks .
If you take the wings off them and call them midgets the racing will make for better watching .
If you take the wings off them and call them midgets there would be one less class .
Someone please take the wings off the minisprints .
Tongue in cheek folks but with a ring of realism too .
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Post by Racerman on Dec 2, 2009 12:29:39 GMT 12
Been done ! Scooter Edwards took his wing off at 2K's a couple of seasons back, and BEAT the midgets he ran against!! If a minisprint does not have a wing on it is not a minisprint ! it will be a midget!
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Post by sharky on Dec 2, 2009 12:42:01 GMT 12
I saw one it try it at Harrisville looked like the guy was having a ball.
They are boring to watch winged and I think there is merit in your idea. I thought they where brought in as a cheap feeder class but now they are worth mega bucks!!
Dropping the wing could kill two birds with one stone as you say maybe? One less class and more tracks running the more exicting class of midgets with full fields.
I saw the midgets at palmy but only briefly before my ministock race started man they fly and get well sidways!! It looks like fun.
I would look at moving up a class and getting one if palmy ran them but minisprints don't interest me at all it's always mainly single file with one guy out front kicking butt!
What are top Midgets worth V top minisprint is it similar dollars?
I'd be interested to hear what competitors in the respective class's think from a drivers piont of view.
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Post by Minisprint41p on Dec 2, 2009 14:11:58 GMT 12
Well i can say i have run my minisprint at a mates place without the wing. But for some people like me who cant afford to buy a midget etc etc a minisprint with a wing is the closest ill ever get to racing a sprintcar in my life! i have only done a season in them and had a ball and raced with a couple people at the back of the feild and i was happy. As racerman said if you take the wings off they are just midgets..
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Post by bloodyracing on Dec 2, 2009 14:28:20 GMT 12
If you take the wing off they will be more like a under-powered TQ. The only thing they have incommon with midgets is that they use the sime size frames, mini-sprints only have 1300cc at around 100hp with a weight of 450kg. With a midget you have 300 + hp and the same weight.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2009 14:51:09 GMT 12
Just looking at the results from the meeting at Palmy when they ran midgets and minisprints .
The fastest midget time was 15.4264
The fastest minisprint was 15.7494
Not that much in it , and my suggestion is that minisprints become F2 midgets .
Same frame , same driving skills , same appearance and maybe a formula/incentive to move up to the Midget class .
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Post by bloodyracing on Dec 2, 2009 15:13:24 GMT 12
yer I think that would work, but the min-sprints would need a incress in motor size, the F2 class I think has 2000cc engines and around 200hp. So if they (snz) gave the older mini-sprint engines (1200cc Datsun & Nissan) extra compacity. We have a class down here that are the same size as midget but use 1000cc+ motorcycle engines that are nearly as fast as sprint cars around our track, but take their wings off and they would only be as fast as a TQ.
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Post by Autopete55 on Dec 2, 2009 15:30:22 GMT 12
I see where youre coming from Obby but those little engines are only 1300cc but with serious $$ spent on them. Great class to be involved in and a reasonably level playing feild. The vid you stuck up was of 360-410 cid Non Wing Sprinters and not really a comparison compared to Midgets vs Minisprints. I know it was for indication value but it aint apples to apples. ;D  Sure take the wings off the Minisprints and run them with Midgets but I reckon we would hear screams of pain from the F1 Midget guys trying to get round some of the F2/Minisprint converts on the track.The HP difference off the turns would cause a headache or two for a start. Would be like putting mid pack stockcars in with top dollar Supers IMHO  |
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Post by midget7h on Dec 2, 2009 16:30:19 GMT 12
first of all id like to say when a midget is practicing or on the track with a wingless minisprint you can be rest assured they aint booting it so i more than doubt edwards beat a 360hp midget at race pace with a wingless minisprint!! maybe im wrong but thats dam hard to believe consindering we got clocked at huntly doing 140 kph in a 10 mtre straight, and midgets at palmy the selection of drivers and the nature of palmy track is why you didnt see much passing, otherwise i would debate that midgets typicaly have more action than most classes there is heaps of passing and alot of lapping, expeccialy if F2 cars are in there with them. F2 cars are a great class but can pose alot of danger when running with the big boys, sometimes, there lines are different, they have little power and different handling caracteristics on the track, its fine if there aint to many, minisprint with no wing is a F2 and would work great then there would be a masiive f2 section, but i myself would have tracks run f2 separate for safety sake, if ther were many cars, cas if we get a drivey track its darn scary when we hook up, its like they arnt moving! anyway you need to remember if you take the wing off a minisprint there lap time will increase quite abit, i mean imagine a midget with a wing? if we crashed youd have to pick the car up in the next town! price of a good midget 40k price of a good minisprint 35 to 40k so do you want 360hp or 150? do you wana scare the pants of yourself everytime you drive and try and tame a pitbull? get a midget, well theres my views, bare in mine its just a view.
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Post by The Observer on Dec 2, 2009 16:30:25 GMT 12
Thanks for the feedback everybody. To be honest, I was never thinking of combining midgets with mini sprints - The midgets are a hang of a lot more in cost for starters. I've heard of guys prefering to run sprintcars because they are cheaper than midgets. Anyway, back on task. It would make for an interesting event to see how the minisprints would go wingless - even if it was just for one race one night. One of the reasons i think minisprints are gaining popularity is the link with ministocks - through the motors. I bet there are plenty of parents who would think the cost wouldn't be that great compared to the other classes available. IN response to Auto pete - the reaon i showed the clip of sprintcars was to show how exciting they are without wings - which is the idea of the thread Maybe if i had put a vid of midgets it could have been construed differently. As an aside, a uncle who is a stockcar man before moving to auckland, and now raves about the excitement of midgets suggested minisprints would be a whole lot more exciting with a little more power, possibly a 2 litre honda motor or whatever fit under the 2 litre car catagory. But again thats by the by. IN closing, this wasn;t about changing the specs, or combineing classes. Just wondering if the racing might change if they had wings off, and if it would change for the better. Look foward to more discussion about all the above or whatever directoin you want to go  |
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Post by midget7h on Dec 2, 2009 16:37:42 GMT 12
good call.. observer i c what you mean and yea id be keen to see that myself!
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Post by edwardsmotorsport on Dec 2, 2009 17:48:56 GMT 12
it was around 05-06 season mark edwards and shaun cooke was running wingless.both won a heat of the front of the midgets with the likes of tony fabish in the feild. why should minisprints take the wings off. minisprints are a stepping stone to sprintcar or midgets.if you want a slower midget its called a tq there are more minisprints around than midgets.
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Post by midget7h on Dec 2, 2009 17:57:39 GMT 12
well done, i stand corrected. my midget will be for sale end of season possibly, expressions of interest is sought.
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Post by blue on Dec 2, 2009 17:57:46 GMT 12
Minisprints would go slower with there wings off!!!
A top minisprint = 25-35K v's a top midget = 80-100K.
A 40K midget is really only a B Grade midget. - Maybe a steping stone between F2's and a Top Midget.
A 30K minsprint could be a top contender in its class where as a 40K midget would probably be a mid pack contender in its class.
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Post by midget7h on Dec 2, 2009 18:03:09 GMT 12
thats why im leading huntly points? in my midpack car ay,, well done
pickens drove dave gicks midpak car and won from the back?? yea you know lots
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Post by midget7h on Dec 2, 2009 18:06:45 GMT 12
its not all about the best car in midgets, you only need a good "midpack" car and anyone can win..
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Post by blue on Dec 2, 2009 18:15:59 GMT 12
um....probably because your car would be amongest one of the top cars at huntly but I don't see top cars i.e. cars 80-100K or pickens/mosen and the likes driving at huntly. Race against the big boys then and we will see...prove me wrong.... Why would Pickens have a 120K car then if all he needs is a 40K car?  |
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Post by midget7h on Dec 2, 2009 18:24:53 GMT 12
pickens is nz best he could win in most cars, he is provided with the best thats why he drives them, not a hard question, and i ran with them at the springs last year, it aint the cars, its 15yr veteran experiance that beats me, and we will be racing them on the 12th at huntly in the 40lapper, and yea i will try and prove that it aint the cars value, when your beaten in these cars your outskilled, if you put me in a 110k car i would not be any further ahead, and i bet there would be plenty of other midget drivers that would agree, when your talking from 40k to 100k, the differance is the driver through and through and of course crew,
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Post by midget7h on Dec 2, 2009 18:26:11 GMT 12
and actually my car is 70k worth so you do see them at huntly
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