red lights (Read 2,081 times)

[nzf2stocks.]

Possibly, have the yellows on for two seconds then go red? Might work, but the drivers that always gain under the red will still use the same lame excuses. Part of being a stockcar driver is to keep your eyes on what the lights are doing, if you can't you shouldnt be driving. 99% of the drivers that make up ground under the reds know exactly what they are doing; you know when the lights go red and you know who you were behind and by how far, so get back there without being told! No or bad brakes arn't an excuse, you shouldn't have your car on the track if it can't stop, and if they are damaged during the race you should drive accoringly. Gaining positions under the red is at best unsporting, and if you do it on purpose it is cheating, pure and simple. You should be trailered immediatly and you logbook noted, and if there is a re-occurance a time ban should be levied. I have noted that the ones that complain the loudest about other cars are the ones that do it the most.

[MadMarty13B]

Jan 7, 2010 20:29:42 GMT 12 ginga912 said:

Surely if the ref's started to pull people off, guys wouldnt risk in a big meeting?

Thats the problem they did that at the Hawkes Bay Superstock champs where they ordered Simon Joblin of but not nearly a third of the field as well it has to be done for all that have infringed otherwise there is no fairness whatsoever and it all comes down to being capable of policing the rule properly it is a huge problem drivers not stopping on reds and a huge problem in being able to police it properly to catch everyone

[MadMarty13B]

Jan 7, 2010 20:33:24 GMT 12 Jeff See said:

Would it help if the lights flashed orange then red?

ont think that would changed much Jeff

[nzf2stocks.]

This comes down to manpower again, surely the clubs can find four responsible people to watch a quarter of the track each and report back to the race controller, maybee not for a normal club night but for a championchip meeting it wouldnt be hard. This would help for all sorts of stuff like debris, thumbs down etc. The best places to watch are outside the track, I know from experience how hard it is to watch from the infield, you get dizzy and fall on your arse ( I did anyway)

[mining 126]

i think when a few of the name drivers start getting trailered the message will start to get thru , however some will try as they just can,t seem to help themselves , 1 watcher at each quarter should help this but as said earlier perhaps only on champ or title meetings

[ginga912]

Jan 7, 2010 20:53:35 GMT 12 MadMarty13B said:

Jan 7, 2010 20:29:42 GMT 12 ginga912 said:

Surely if the ref's started to pull people off, guys wouldnt risk in a big meeting?

Thats the problem they did that at the Hawkes Bay Superstock champs where they ordered Simon Joblin of but not nearly a third of the field as well it has to be done for all that have infringed otherwise there is no fairness whatsoever and it all comes down to being capable of policing the rule properly it is a huge problem drivers not stopping on reds and a huge problem in being able to police it properly to catch everyone

I ask simon why they pulled him off then and he said it was nosie? be hard to get a good reading on one car in a feild of superstocks?

[marcia]

Interesting topic - and one that i've heard a lot of drivers discussing just recently.

Whenkev first raced over here and a red light situation occurred he stopped immediately - and found he was overtaken on the reds by a few cars. He was told by other people - don't stop straight away nobody does - and that seems to be the case.

The officals and marshalls have a very difficult job trying to watch 20+ cars out on the track and they have to make calls which may seem unfair, but they only have one set of eyes each and can't see everything - so some drivers will get away with sneaking a few places whilst others are penalised, thats life!

We have been used to the UK rule of closing up on the yellows, and whilst it may seem unfair that if you have a half lap advantage you suddenly lose it under the yellows - that rule applies to everyone - irrespective of who you are, if you're a big name or a rookie - same rule applies. The way it works in the uk is the grid is closed up in racing postion from the previous lap with 'the cause of the stoppage removed' - may be one or more cars. The cars line up not in race order of 1st 2nd 3rd etc - just race order including back markers or drivers a lap down mixed in - and yes there can be some interesting results if you lineup on the bumper of soemone you were unable to catch up previously! ;D

There will be no quick fix to solve the problem that people are discussing but it does seem to be an issue with a lot of drivers and many spectators feel the system is unfair.

If enough of the drivers are unhappy about it they need to bring it up with SNZ.

Enjoy your racing!