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Post by tiroto on Dec 3, 2010 19:52:59 GMT 12
The way entries are coming in there could be 100 entries!
5 groups of 20 or
4 groups of 25?
What say you?
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Dec 3, 2010 20:11:56 GMT 12
5 grps be good
what about top four in each group = 20 and then 3 ranked repercharges ....top 2 in each to make finals = 26
repercharges are good and give all a 2nd chance, awesome for crowd also
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Post by tmack on Dec 3, 2010 21:35:06 GMT 12
5 grps be good what about top four in each group = 20 and then 3 ranked repercharges ....top 2 in each to make finals = 26 repercharges are good and give all a 2nd chance, awesome for crowd also I like the format used for the world 240s the last couple of years with there repercharge. 25 qualifiers found the first night and the second night first race is all the cars that missed qualifying grid up, and first over the line gets the 26th spot. Last seasons qualifying race for the 26th spot was awesome with ngatai and pat westbury having an awesome battle. |
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Post by tman on Dec 4, 2010 13:02:53 GMT 12
4 full fields would be good,6 from each group 2x repercharges 2 decide the last 2 qualifiers
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Post by tiroto on Dec 4, 2010 16:07:39 GMT 12
I agree with HIGHWAY45. Nothing like 5 groups -15 races of screaming superstocks around the Valley with three repercharges races thrown in the mix. Bring it on!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 3:39:13 GMT 12
I'll go agaisnt the flow of traffic here and say repercharge's should NEVER be used in the contact classes in the same way that no one likes to see a one race final in the contact classes. Should be next highest ponts scorer(s) OR take the top scoring non qualifier from each group for a 4 lap run off for last spot(s)
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Post by knownotmuch on Dec 5, 2010 5:01:37 GMT 12
Must say I agree, not a fan of repercharges in any championship, but particularly not in the contact classes.
The great attraction of the contact classes is not always who is going faster others, but who is going to stop others from winning. If a drivers puts his car and body on the line to stop others during qualifying, it is totally disrespecting that entertainers effort, if those that had their hopes dashed on his bumpers are given a second chance to qualify via a repercharge.
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Post by tman on Dec 5, 2010 9:09:41 GMT 12
Must say I agree, not a fan of repercharges in any championship, but particularly not in the contact classes. The great attraction of the contact classes is not always who is going faster others, but who is going to stop others from winning. If a drivers puts his car and body on the line to stop others during qualifying, it is totally disrespecting that entertainers effort, if those that had their hopes dashed on his bumpers are given a second chance to qualify via a repercharge. very good point,didnt really think about that. |
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Post by Roxcyford on Dec 18, 2010 15:00:25 GMT 12
anybody know what the format for finals night is 3/heats or a 1 off 20 lapper the year craig pierce won the title.
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Dec 18, 2010 17:30:52 GMT 12
I'll go agaisnt the flow of traffic here and say repercharge's should NEVER be used in the contact classes in the same way that no one likes to see a one race final in the contact classes. Should be next highest ponts scorer(s) OR take the top scoring non qualifier from each group for a 4 lap run off for last spot(s) wouldnt taking the next highest onpoins from 4 or 5 groups and doing a 4 lap runoff just a mini repercharge? surely a 12 or 15 lap seeded grids race is far more exciting not to mention fair for all those drivers who have travelled to put on a show for the spectators, represent their clubs and may off had a dnf the 1st night for some small reason like a flat tyre etc??? repercharge is down for first race second night and i for 1 wont miss it, theyre do or die situations and you see some desparate race moves and plenty of action |
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Post by pallmall on Dec 18, 2010 18:00:46 GMT 12
anybody know what the format for finals night is 3/heats or a 1 off 20 lapper the year craig pierce won the title. I doubt you will ever see the one race final for contact classes ever again. It simply did not work. Nor should there be repercharges for contact classes, should be next highest in points, and a run off if there is a tie. And this should all take place on qualifying night. The 240s format is great for the 240s, but not for a NZ Title. |
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Dec 18, 2010 18:41:20 GMT 12
bad luck then huh as there is a repercharge and its the 1st race night 2. you could go get a hotdog while that race on pallmall ;D
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Post by Admin on Dec 18, 2010 20:16:25 GMT 12
I'm in two minds about repêchages for contact classes. They are a spectacle to watch but what's the point of disposing of some opposition in qualifying if the sods can get back in via the repêchage.
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Post by thewatcher on Dec 18, 2010 21:24:09 GMT 12
when was the last time a repercharge was used? for the nz stockcars/a grades/superstocks?
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Post by pallmall on Dec 18, 2010 22:54:07 GMT 12
bad luck then huh as there is a repercharge and its the 1st race night 2. you could go get a hotdog while that race on pallmall ;D OK, your shout.  |
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Post by percy on Dec 19, 2010 10:33:44 GMT 12
Gee what's with all the anti-repechage sentiment?
The inter-group comparability method is flawed. Just because Driver A scores 49 points doesn't mean he is better than Driver B in a different group who scored 47 points. Driver A's group may have had a higher attrition rate or even one less car to start with. Driver B could have conceivably passed more cars than Driver A.
I also don't see why drivers should be competing against drivers from other groups. It's hard enough competing against those in the same group!
A repechage gives the opportunity for the next best drivers to do battle on the same piece of track at the same time in the same race. What can be fairer than that?
Mac Daddy, if the driver you "disposed of" still scores enough points to make the repechage then I suggest you haven't done a very good job of disposing them! In any case when was the last time a driver was disposed of on qualifying night, made the repechage and got through to the main event? If a driver is that good that they can qualify through that course then they deserve to race the main event.
There are a number of other benefits in having repechages:
- More cars for consolation racing later in the programme
- Repechages are high on entertainment
- Repechage qualifiers are penalised by having to do an extra race
- Gets the programme off with a high quality race in the feature class
Long live the repechage
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Dec 19, 2010 10:52:36 GMT 12
Gee what's with all the anti-repechage sentiment? The inter-group comparability method is flawed. Just because Driver A scores 49 points doesn't mean he is better than Driver B in a different group who scored 47 points. Driver A's group may have had a higher attrition rate or even one less car to start with. Driver B could have conceivably passed more cars than Driver A. I also don't see why drivers should be competing against drivers from other groups. It's hard enough competing against those in the same group! A repechage gives the opportunity for the next best drivers to do battle on the same piece of track at the same time in the same race. What can be fairer than that? Mac Daddy, if the driver you "disposed of" still scores enough points to make the repechage then I suggest you haven't done a very good job of disposing them! In any case when was the last time a driver was disposed of on qualifying night, made the repechage and got through to the main event? If a driver is that good that they can qualify through that course then they deserve to race the main event. There are a number of other benefits in having repechages: - More cars for consolation racing later in the programme - Repechages are high on entertainment - Repechage qualifiers are penalised by having to do an extra race - Gets the programme off with a high quality race in the feature class Long live the repechage Amen |
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Post by Admin on Dec 19, 2010 11:05:03 GMT 12
Gee what's with all the anti-repechage sentiment? The inter-group comparability method is flawed. Just because Driver A scores 49 points doesn't mean he is better than Driver B in a different group who scored 47 points. Driver A's group may have had a higher attrition rate or even one less car to start with. Driver B could have conceivably passed more cars than Driver A. I also don't see why drivers should be competing against drivers from other groups. It's hard enough competing against those in the same group! A repechage gives the opportunity for the next best drivers to do battle on the same piece of track at the same time in the same race. What can be fairer than that? Mac Daddy, if the driver you "disposed of" still scores enough points to make the repechage then I suggest you haven't done a very good job of disposing them! In any case when was the last time a driver was disposed of on qualifying night, made the repechage and got through to the main event? If a driver is that good that they can qualify through that course then they deserve to race the main event. There are a number of other benefits in having repechages: - More cars for consolation racing later in the programme - Repechages are high on entertainment - Repechage qualifiers are penalised by having to do an extra race - Gets the programme off with a high quality race in the feature class Long live the repechage ok Youngboy Percy , you've convinced me....almost |
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Post by tiroto on Dec 19, 2010 11:39:23 GMT 12
Agree totally - gee Percy sometimes you take the words right out of my mouth.
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Post by stretch67 on Dec 27, 2010 15:20:40 GMT 12
can see the pros and cons for both formats but if a guy only scores 10 points on 1st night due to various problems/bad luck does he really deserve a 2nd chance when a guy on 1st nght misses out by a point from direct qualification and was 25th highest pointscorer on night and blows up engine on 1st lap of repercharge and is out for night(whereas if he had gone through to final 26 would at least be credited with that)
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