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Post by my2cents on Feb 7, 2011 8:51:11 GMT 12
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Post by joshnz on Feb 7, 2011 12:13:07 GMT 12
Palmy will allways have there own rule book at there own track.
was a nuts grand final just the way palmy like it,no challange at all
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Post by babylon567 on Feb 7, 2011 12:19:33 GMT 12
Quote from Brendon Higgins todays Evening Standard
It's pretty disappointing but the rules are the rules," Higgins said. "In my experience, Rod McNaughton (referee) is always fair in his decisions."
makes him and the tigers and manager legends
Hats off gentlemen look forward to see you all racing at next seasons teams champs
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 12:24:56 GMT 12
Oh grief...I am going to get the whole top of the South Island jumping down my throat here, but I'm not sure there was a robbing going on here at all.
I'm a seriously one-eyed Tiger fan, passionate as they come and I was fuming about Saturday's result getting over-turned because of Brett's relegation.
Soem of my original posts may have indicated that...but I went back and voluntarily removed them because I quickly realised I had slightly (only ever SO slightly) overstepped the mark.
I think the ruling was made as per the rule book. If drivers were briefed and the situation pointed out, then there's probably good basis from what I have seen to relegate Brett.
The one issue I will question though is the clarity of the ruling. In theory, 'below the poleline' should be clear cut, but in practice that doesn't seem to be the case at all.
Is it ok to have the left front over the pole line, but not have both inside wheels over it? Does it only matter when in close-quarters racing, or should a driver face consequences for cutting the line when he has a quarter-lap lead?
Is it okay to cut the pole-line when driving around other cars that are locked together, or must a driver stay above the pole-line and attempt to force his way through?
Is it just me, or does this seem like a simple rule with a very complex solution?
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 12:28:12 GMT 12
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2011 12:31:53 GMT 12
The "pole line" itself was also clarified at Friday night's drivers briefing. The track is the track, where the racing is to be held, and the concrete and the grass are off it. PN's concrete is quite wide, so if you have even one wheel on the grass you're WELL off the racing surface.
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Post by The Dark One on Feb 7, 2011 12:32:49 GMT 12
As posted in another thread Has anyone read the rules?? No wonder Ramjam gets annoyed... Sigh.. It would also appear that the referee can use discretion when needed. Rule R12-4 (m) Penalties - at the discretion of the referee - Fine: $100 to $1,000 - Individual Exclusion (from the meeting), an exclusion in any one race by a non winning driver is not a penalty. - Team Exclusion It would appear from reading that rule, that the ref in charge is able to give whatever penalty he see fit for the crime. So if the crime was passing 1 or 2 cars while on the grass, a fitting penalty would be a relegation of placing by 1 or 2 cars. |
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 12:36:55 GMT 12
The "pole line" itself was also clarified at Friday night's drivers briefing. The track is the track, where the racing is to be hled, and the concrete and the grass are off it. PN's concrete is quite wide, so if you have even one wheel on the grass you're WELL off the racing surface. Okay, that is SOME of those points clarified. However, that does raise a big consistency issue....or is there also some discretion available to the referee/steward/chief chong doy? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2011 12:42:46 GMT 12
So if the crime was passing 1 or 2 cars while on the grass, a fitting penalty would be a relegation of placing by 1 or 2 cars. Or possibly one more place than you gained (ie, pass 2 cars and you get pinged 3 spots) to discourage people from pushing the point? Otherwise there's no real penalty for one's illegal act. From memory he started from grid 5 (?) and came out of the corner 2nd, taking the lead immediately afterward. It's also irrelevant whether the cars he passed were friendly or foe. |
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Post by The Dark One on Feb 7, 2011 12:45:11 GMT 12
So if the crime was passing 1 or 2 cars while on the grass, a fitting penalty would be a relegation of placing by 1 or 2 cars. Or possibly one more place than you gained (ie, pass 2 cars and you get pinged 3 spots) to discourage people from pushing the point? Otherwise there's no real penalty for one's illegal act. From memory he started from grid 5 (?) and came out of the corner 2nd, taking the lead immediately afterward. It's also irrelevant whether the cars he passed were friendly or foe. Agreed Barry. But I think the piont is still being lost on many. |
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 12:46:26 GMT 12
Or possibly one more place than you gained (ie, pass 2 cars and you get pinged 3 spots) to discourage people from pushing the point? Otherwise there's no real penalty for one's illegal act. From memory he started from grid 5 (?) and came out of the corner 2nd, taking the lead immediately afterward. It's also irrelevant whether the cars he passed were friendly or foe. Agreed Barry. But I think the piont is still being lost on many. Some I think Darkone.....only some. And oh, how it pains me to admit I agree with the ruling... |
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Post by The Dark One on Feb 7, 2011 12:51:32 GMT 12
Credit where it's due penman, you have certainly taken eating your humble pie well. Pity some cant learn from that.
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Post by The Godfather on Feb 7, 2011 12:52:11 GMT 12
The "pole line" itself was also clarified at Friday night's drivers briefing. The track is the track, where the racing is to be held, and the concrete and the grass are off it. PN's concrete is quite wide, so if you have even one wheel on the grass you're WELL off the racing surface. In Nelson the supposed margin is even less, ''wheel on the poleline'' is meant to be the standard, as if its on the poleline, its not on the track. The enforcement of it........well thats different again.  |
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 12:54:33 GMT 12
Credit where it's due penman, you have certainly taken eating your humble pie well. Pity some cant learn from that. Lots of tomato sauce... |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 7, 2011 12:58:57 GMT 12
The "pole line" itself was also clarified at Friday night's drivers briefing. The track is the track, where the racing is to be held, and the concrete and the grass are off it. PN's concrete is quite wide, so if you have even one wheel on the grass you're WELL off the racing surface. In Nelson the supposed margin is even less, ''wheel on the poleline'' is meant to be the standard, as if its on the poleline, its not on the track. The enforcement of it........well thats different again. the enforcement is what has so many people angry. the application of the enforcement isnt consistant. some refs penalise for a single wheel on the concrete poleline, while some only penalise when 1 or mroe wheels are on the grass. and some seem to only be penalising in some cases and ignoring others |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2011 13:15:47 GMT 12
The "pole line" itself was also clarified at Friday night's drivers briefing. The track is the track, where the racing is to be held, and the concrete and the grass are off it. PN's concrete is quite wide, so if you have even one wheel on the grass you're WELL off the racing surface. In Nelson the supposed margin is even less, ''wheel on the poleline'' is meant to be the standard, as if its on the poleline, its not on the track. The enforcement of it........well thats different again. At PN touching the concrete was supposedly considered "off the track" as well. I was just meaning if you're over the concrerte and on the grass, you're hardly in a position to even dispute a call - you're well of course. |
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Post by wayspeed on Feb 7, 2011 13:20:13 GMT 12
I just feel robbed of a final with the 2 top teams. Like expecting a All blacks v's Aust rugby game and getting to watch All Blacks against Ireland. No disrespect to Stratford.
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Post by The Dark One on Feb 7, 2011 13:30:08 GMT 12
Thats a bit rough, Ireland are ranked 5th in the world at the moment ;D
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 13:32:09 GMT 12
I just feel robbed of a final with the 2 top teams. Like expecting a All blacks v's Aust rugby game and getting to watch All Blacks against Ireland. No disrespect to Stratford. That's okay. I don't think Stratford have got much of a rugby team anyway! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 14:07:20 GMT 12
Oh grief...I am going to get the whole top of the South Island jumping down my throat here, but I'm not sure there was a robbing going on here at all. I'm a seriously one-eyed Tiger fan, passionate as they come and I was fuming about Saturday's result getting over-turned because of Brett's relegation. Soem of my original posts may have indicated that...but I went back and voluntarily removed them because I quickly realised I had slightly (only ever SO slightly) overstepped the mark. I think the ruling was made as per the rule book. If drivers were briefed and the situation pointed out, then there's probably good basis from what I have seen to relegate Brett. Penman, I was getting a bit tired of some of your posts so good on you for the above comments. Here's an adapted version of Elvis's song Don't Cry Daddy... DONT CRY TIGER FANS Today I stumbled from my bed With thunder crashing in my head And my pillow still wet From last night's tears And as I think of giving up A voice inside my coffee-cup Kept crying out Ringing in my ears Don't cry Penman Please don't cry Penman, you've still got Higgins and the other Tigers Together they’ll be back again next year Penman, Penman, please laugh again The Tigers will bring you glory again Oh, Penman, please don't cry Why are fans always first To feel the pain and hurt the worst It's cruel but somehow It just don't seem right 'Cause ev'ry time you cry you know It hurts your fellow Macgorians so And we wonder will it be the same next year Don't cry Tiger fans Please don't cry Tiger fans, you've still got Higgins and the other Tigers Together they’ll be back again next year Tiger fans, please laugh again The Tigers will bring you glory again Oh, Tiger fans, please don't cry Oh, Tiger fans, please don't cry Take it away Elvis.... |
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