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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 6, 2011 19:12:52 GMT 12
There are a number of ways this can go...
1. in the heat of the moment he didnt see the pole line = he was caught and dealth with appropriatley.
2.Did he gain any advantage as he came was next to the same car the whole way thought until a blocking manouver stopped the scrapper = he was caught and dealt with accordingly.
3 He didnt dissengage and do a donut (something i remember seeing peter bengston do in one of the later races in the night) and he happened to get caught out by a clever eagle eye = he was caught and dealt with accordingly.
At the end of the day it could have gone either way, there is definatley room for doubt against the protest as upon re entering the track he had made no gains or benefits, a number of cars made the very same move on the night and either did not disengage or didnt do the donut and re enter the track.
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Post by wayne25s on Feb 6, 2011 19:38:40 GMT 12
Will be nice when the dvd is released, saw the track footage at the forest elbow last night (memory could be blurred) its taken from the comentators box, looked like his left front wheel is over the pole line most of the way round the corner.
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Post by psycho13 on Feb 6, 2011 19:46:35 GMT 12
He was pumped on adrenalin did a no-no , paid the price. He wasnt the first and he wont be the last. It was a fair call by the referee will done.
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Post by leonardracing on Feb 6, 2011 19:53:43 GMT 12
After watching that tape, and as much as I was looking forward to the Tigers being in the final, I think the call is right, he had all four wheels on the grass, did not back off or turn around, thru this was able to pass three cars and take the lead, after the race he was pulled back the cars he passed, I say good call from the reffs, I've lost placings this season twice for cutting the pole line with one wheel, and it sucks BUT it is a clear rule and you get warned most meetings not to do it.
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Post by panthertown on Feb 6, 2011 20:25:19 GMT 12
Get over it Panthers are champs..to big to strong!
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 6, 2011 20:30:20 GMT 12
Get over it Panthers are champs..to big to strong! Theres sore losers and theres bad winners. You wanna stab at the sore losers, stop being a bad winner. The best team of 2 in the final won last night, that cant be denied but had it not been for politics it may have been different. Not condoning the grass cut but from the grandstands i couldnt see the pole line on turn 3 at all, was completely covered in mud so an "accidental" infraction was very likely. |
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Post by panthertown on Feb 6, 2011 20:33:31 GMT 12
Bad winner??? ok buddy if you say so, all in all a good weekend
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Post by Shai-tan on Feb 6, 2011 21:13:31 GMT 12
There was a bad winner down in front of Stratford supporters last night. Stratford sitting there from 3 onwards creating a great atmosphere all in good fun. Then a smart mouthed teenager turns up and couldn't take the joking banter. Also great work by security!
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Post by Skorp on Feb 6, 2011 21:36:01 GMT 12
Bad winner??? ok buddy if you say so, all in all a good weekend seriously dude, stop being a sore winner. your making the rest of us look bad. its no wonder no one likes us with people like you acting like an ass all the time |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 6, 2011 21:51:07 GMT 12
I actually stood up and clapped and cheered for the panthers on their victory lap. I also turned around and shook the hand of the palmy supporter who i had been giving stick all night and said see him next year. People are passionate about the sport and some people just dont like protests (the whole keep it on the track deal) but it is what it is. At the end of the day you cant knock the palmy drivers, call into question the refs, stewards whatever (sorry if ive mentioned wrong officials ramjam  ) but the drivers go out there and just race, they dont turn on the lights, they dont pull cars off the track, they get out there and race and do their darned best so a big congratulations to rees, penn, bengston, miers and hemi. |
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Post by joshnz on Feb 7, 2011 12:20:27 GMT 12
thats the only way panthers would of beaton the tigers.im not a huge tigers fan i come over from aus just to see the teams champs.
bull nuts call but hey its pamly wat can you expect.they have to find anything to get a easy run in the grand final.
who ever says he should of braked.get ya hand off it
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Post by The Godfather on Feb 7, 2011 12:55:04 GMT 12
Born and bred Nelsonian and Tigers fan reporting for duty......
......he should have braked.
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Post by The Dark One on Feb 7, 2011 12:58:46 GMT 12
Brendon Higgins in todays Evening Standard:
It's pretty disappointing but the rules are the rules," Higgins said. "In my experience, Rod McNaughton (referee) is always fair in his decisions."
So if the drivers IN the team can understand the decision, why cant the fans?
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 13:10:19 GMT 12
Brendon Higgins in todays Evening Standard: It's pretty disappointing but the rules are the rules," Higgins said. "In my experience, Rod McNaughton (referee) is always fair in his decisions." So if the drivers IN the team can understand the decision, why cant the fans? I think they can...but won't admit it. i know this from very painful personal experience |
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Post by petero on Feb 7, 2011 14:14:38 GMT 12
The rules do seem clear from other discussions and putting a car onto the pole/ grass under those wet conditions would have been a tactic used many times during the meeting
however if you look at the video closely, two Stratford cars also appear to put wheels onto at least the concrete during turn 1/2.
Did not see them relegated as well.
when we talk about inconsistency, look at any major stockcar/ superstock race and see them all dive to the bottom and many a race/ event is won with passes going into turn one from the start with grass cutting etc.
sure some get pinged but the big guns just seem to consistently do this and get away with it most times
not unlike previous posts about how much is gained under red (lack of stopping)
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Post by old2nz on Feb 7, 2011 15:01:45 GMT 12
the decision is quite simple. you cannot drive over the poleline to gain an advantage. 83n clearly did this and passed four cars and thats why he was relegated. What he should have done is turn left and rejoin behind the car that forced him infeild and we wouldn't be having this discussion. He was not removed as during the meeting no other car was removed for breaking the same rule they where only relegated. therefore consistancy had to remain
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Post by hardcore on Feb 7, 2011 15:20:58 GMT 12
bring back the 44 gallon drums ;D
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Post by Skorp on Feb 7, 2011 15:33:50 GMT 12
bring back the 44 gallon drums ;D this to be honest. it wont solve all problems, but will drastically reduce them |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 7, 2011 17:08:31 GMT 12
Would it be a case that the tigers fans and most posting here arent so much against the call as they are against the inconsistency of the calls were other drivers were seen doing the same, and "coinsidentally (a dangerous word i know) in a VERY pivotal race the rule was finally applied removing 1 of the strongest teams (no offense ofcourse to the scrappers).
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Post by eaglesfan11 on Feb 7, 2011 17:48:27 GMT 12
We could debate this issue for ever and the result would not change, we all need to get over it and look forward to next year. I would of loved to see the Glen Eagles or Tigers win but they didn't, s#*t happens. At the end of the day the best team won, the Panthers deserved there win and they played by the rules and raced and hit hard. We can't say it would have been different if the tigers had made the final, because they didn't so no one will ever know. Well done Panthers, you deserved your win and tigers were just unlucky on this occasion.
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) but the drivers go out there and just race, they dont turn on the lights, they dont pull cars off the track, they get out there and race and do their darned best so a big congratulations to rees, penn, bengston, miers and hemi.
