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Post by Tony on Jan 30, 2012 19:52:56 GMT 12
Try this Barry; created by Kaspa69, and perfected by yours truly ;D
ok this is what i did on paper at home
1v2
3v4
5v6
7v8
9v10
11v12
13v1
12v2
11v3
10v4
9v5
8v6
13v7
so it will work just add a team 2 the numbers and organise them into a fair time between races and its all go
Your seeded teams are 1, 3, 5 and 7. The only glitch is that team number 13 will meet two seeded teams, but as you noted in your prerequisites, that's unavoidable, and anyway, 13 is an unlucky number!
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Post by BarryB on Jan 30, 2012 19:53:38 GMT 12
well 12 is easy, 11 is easy, (both been done before) i thought there was already a formula in place that could handle any amount of teams?? There kinda was one for 13+........but once studied closer (over the last week when it became obvious 13 teams was a distinct possibilty) it had its flaws. Maybe the whole draw should just be random? But would you be happy with the Tigers meeting the Panthers on night 1? Or a replay of last year's Final? |
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Post by youngone on Jan 30, 2012 19:53:54 GMT 12
Stratford got 4th last year so will be one of the top seeds? No; Stratford came SECOND last year, so they will be one of the seeded teams, with whatever advantages come from that status. Wow how could I get that so wrong lol Go the Naki boys!! |
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Post by What is Throttle? on Jan 30, 2012 19:54:49 GMT 12
1v2
3v4
5v6
7v8
9v10
11v12
13v1
2v3
4v5
6v7
8v9
10v11
12v13
Seeded team 1 4 7 10
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Post by Skorp on Jan 30, 2012 19:57:02 GMT 12
Stratford got 4th last year so will be one of the top seeds? Stratford were second last year. |
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Post by busterbell on Jan 30, 2012 19:57:04 GMT 12
its probably too late now to come up with something. i thought it was already sorted, otherwise why is there so much stress trying to get 13 teams together  |
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Post by kingpin on Jan 30, 2012 19:57:59 GMT 12
that means team#12 doesnt race a seeded team if im not mistaken
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Post by BarryB on Jan 30, 2012 20:01:32 GMT 12
Try this Barry; created by Kaspa69, and perfected by yours truly ;D ok this is what i did on paper at home
1v2
3v4
5v6
7v8
9v10
11v12
13v1
12v2
11v3
10v4
9v5
8v6
13v7
so it will work just add a team 2 the numbers and organise them into a fair time between races and its all go Your seeded teams are 1, 3, 5 and 7. The only glitch is that team number 13 will meet two seeded teams, but as you noted in your prerequisites, that's unavoidable, and anyway, 13 is an unlucky number! And that's the problem, race order. Used like you've done it the race gaps vary from 2 races (only 1 race in between) to 9 races. Every time you move 1, you actually move two teams, so you get one closer to be correct whilst the other team, which was right, moves further away. |
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Post by SpeedwayKing on Jan 30, 2012 20:07:16 GMT 12
will the draw be done like the Stockcar teams with teams into groups and if it was groups there will have to be 3 groups of 3 and 1 group of 4
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Post by What is Throttle? on Jan 30, 2012 20:08:45 GMT 12
that means team#12 doesnt race a seeded team if im not mistaken They are the lucky team. With 9 Teams needing to race a seeded team and the seeded teams can only do 8 races its impossible |
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Post by kaspa69 on Jan 30, 2012 20:10:49 GMT 12
Stratford got 4th last year so will be one of the top seeds? PANTHERS 1ST SCRAPPERS 2ND TIGERS 3RD REBELS 4TH ARE THE TOP 4 SEEDED TEAMS LIONS 5TH WARRIORS 6TH |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 30, 2012 20:18:16 GMT 12
1v2 3v4 5v6 7v8 9v10 11v12 13v1 2v3 4v5 6v7 8v9 10v11 12v13 Seeded team 1 4 7 10 Perfect, thank you so much. All race gaps either 6 or 7 races, as you've said, it's impossible to get it 100% perfect, but that met all of the criteria considering there was always going to be one odd team out. Last year the "easy" draw in the 11 team format (meeting 2 unseeded teams) drew the Panthers, who were not seeded after crapping out the year before. |
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Post by kaspa69 on Jan 30, 2012 20:21:45 GMT 12
1v2 3v4 5v6 7v8 9v10 11v12 13v1 2v3 4v5 6v7 8v9 10v11 12v13 Seeded team 1 4 7 10 Perfect, thank you so much. All race gaps either 6 or 7 races, as you've said, it's impossible to get it 100% perfect, but that met all of the criteria considering there was always going to be one odd team out. Last year the "easy" draw in the 11 team format (meeting 2 unseeded teams) drew the Panthers, who were not seeded after crapping out the year before. mmmm looks very good |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 30, 2012 20:27:17 GMT 12
will the draw be done like the Stockcar teams with teams into groups and if it was groups there will have to be 3 groups of 3 and 1 group of 4 No, same as with the 11 team Superstock format of the last two years, no groups, just overall points. |
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Post by busterbell on Jan 30, 2012 21:09:54 GMT 12
mr hemi had a solution, would 14 teams help??
pity it was pooh hooed , it would have been mega!!
the 1nz dream team!! all ex 1nz champs.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 30, 2012 21:15:11 GMT 12
its probably too late now to come up with something. i thought it was already sorted, otherwise why is there so much stress trying to get 13 teams together The stress isn't generated by the promotion, it's that there's 13 teams stressing to get there - and we don't want to discourage anybody from attending, so we? |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 30, 2012 21:55:05 GMT 12
If it's a 13 team draw, it will go like this
Race 1 - Team 12 vs Team 13
Race 2 - Team 10 Rotorua Rebels vs Team 11
Race 3 - Team 8 vs Team 9
Race 4 - Team 6 vs Team 7 Nelson Tigers
Race 5 - Team 4 Straftord Scrappers vs Team 5
Race 6 -Team 2 vs Team 3
Race 7 - Team 13 vs Team 1 Palmerston North Panthers
Race 8 - Team 11 vs Team 12
Race 9 - Team 9 vs Team 10 Rotorua Rebels
Race 10 - Team 7 Nelson Tigers vs Team 8
Race 11 - Team 5 vs Team 6
Race 12 - Team 3 vs Team 4 Stratford Scrappers
Race 13 - Team 1 Palmerston North Panthers vs Team 2
If it's 12 teams, it will be the same as for the NZ Stockcar Champs earlier this month; Top 4 teams from 2011 heading up the 4 groups, 2 other teams randomly drawn underneath each them giving 4 groups of three.
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Post by Skorp on Jan 30, 2012 21:58:00 GMT 12
its probably too late now to come up with something. i thought it was already sorted, otherwise why is there so much stress trying to get 13 teams together The stress isn't generated by the promotion, it's that there's 13 teams stressing to get there - and we don't want to discourage anybody from attending, so we? Ideally, no, we don't want to tell anyone "Sorry, we already have 12 teams, you miss out this year". However, it may be that we have to, if having 13 teams causes too much of a headache for the organizer's then someone is going to have to be told they can't enter. Personally I'd prefer to have as many teams as possible entered, but if a team were to be excluded my vote (not that we get one) would go to the Mustangs, as we already have the Panthers. Perhaps the Mustangs could be kept as an extra team to make up the numbers in the future, and if there are 12 other teams, then they wouldn't be needed. |
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Post by busterbell on Jan 30, 2012 22:02:42 GMT 12
read my earlier post, a 14 team draw would solve problems would it not?
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Post by BarryB on Jan 30, 2012 22:05:13 GMT 12
read my earlier post, a 14 team draw would solve problems would it not? No.............and at 11pm the night before the draw it's kinda irrelevent anyway isn't it? |
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