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Post by busterbell on Jan 30, 2014 21:06:22 GMT 12
do we know when the draw will be done?? how/where and so forth........  |
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Post by Pazza on Jan 30, 2014 21:20:25 GMT 12
It should b done Live @ track Friday nite on infield with managers as Huntly do with Stockcar Teams...Fairest way...Live on radio etc aint liget...
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Post by tony27 on Jan 30, 2014 21:45:08 GMT 12
That only works with a small number of teams, palmy has curfew now & first race wouldn't be for 30 minutes or so until after the draw to be fair for teams in it & there isn't time for a filler class. Are you suggesting the lowest 4 teams from last year should be told they're not required?
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Post by Jays on Jan 30, 2014 22:01:01 GMT 12
Tony whats wrong with 5pm on Friday night doing the draw on the infield. Still gives them 1.5 hours till grand parade to organise themselves.
Top 4 seaded teams each draw two other teams from a hat.
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Post by boner87 on Jan 30, 2014 22:21:34 GMT 12
Heard it was being done Tuesday. Not legit? Are we really going to get into that argument?
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Post by djscoobsta on Jan 30, 2014 23:21:16 GMT 12
Apparently we are Boner87, I have no problems with it done in advance. Actually heaps with making a creaky side bet with your mates on who the final will be between.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 31, 2014 1:26:28 GMT 12
The draw will be announced Tuesday morning on LiveSPORT radio as it has been every time in recent years.
To my mind there's two ways of looking at a draw, for ANY sport. Some say all-in with no seeding and live at the venue half an hour before racing is best, others prefer seeding and everything printed in your programme. I personally support the latter, as you want the strongest teams racing in the Semi Finals and Final. A completely random draw every few years will, by the law of averages, pit all of the best teams against each other on Night 1, the effect being a substantially weakened Night 2 which is supposed to be the event showpiece.
If you use the argument that all teams are equal prior to the draw as you don't have a have a problem with who meets who, then you shouldn't have an issue with seeding either. The programme is one just area that can't be done properly without the draw being done in advance, the TAB couldn't conduct betting, especially on the groups, for example, but most of all it encourages plenty of playful banter in the final few days leading up to the event. You know exactly what you're going to see.
Every other sport uses seeding for their showpiece events, the main aim to try and create the best possible final, not the best possible race 7 on night 1. If the seeds, the supposed best teams, get beaten along the way, so be it. They weren't good enough - somebody else was better on the night. In other sports that seems to generate even more interest.
So tune in to LiveSPORT on Tuesday morning, find out who will be in which group, who will be racing who in which order, and as for being legit, you have my assurance that it is (as per last year when it was questioned, and the year before and the year before etc) but can obviously choose to do with that information whatever you will.
Let's do it on the terracotta,
Barry B
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Post by Pazza on Jan 31, 2014 5:45:11 GMT 12
Sweet, Thanks Barry...
Think seeding is good as top 4 Allways deserve it..
With some of the draws 2 date just makes u wonder ae...
All teams deserve 2nd run 2nd nite also..
Hope they have changed format if running old format..
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Post by boner87 on Jan 31, 2014 6:30:10 GMT 12
Plus then we get a few days to argue about who's gonna beat who and who's gonna win and which races are gonna be a smashfest etc
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Post by BarryB on Jan 31, 2014 9:37:20 GMT 12
9.40am Tuesday will be draw time. More details will be posted in the LiveSPORT thread pinned to the top of the General Discussion Board, and a link to it will be added there later for people that miss it live.
Let's do it on the terracotta,
Barry B
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Post by scotty10 on Jan 31, 2014 19:40:42 GMT 12
It's getting really old hearing people say that the draw is rigged. Get over yourselves, what is your theory actually based on? on the track any team can beat their opposition on the day,
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Post by tank11 on Jan 31, 2014 20:08:51 GMT 12
It's getting really old hearing people say that the draw is rigged. Get over yourselves, what is your theory actually based on? on the track any team can beat their opposition on the day, Don't forget about the ref's.....................  |
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Post by mcfly on Jan 31, 2014 21:47:05 GMT 12
Sweet, Thanks Barry... Think seeding is good as top 4 Allways deserve it.. With some of the draws 2 date just makes u wonder ae... All teams deserve 2nd run 2nd nite also.. Hope they have changed format if running old format.. would normally agree with you, however the seeded teams this year were not really the best - don't forget the mighty Hawkeyes were 1 of only 2 unbeaten teams last year, but were not in the top 4 - go figure. And to all those who will say "they didn't get enough points" - I say bla bla bla, the object of a competition is to win and that is exactly what the Hawkeyes did. Points should only come in to the equation when the teams have an equal win/loss ratio, that way winning becomes key again, just like it should be!!! end of sermon  |
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Post by mordecai on Jan 31, 2014 21:49:42 GMT 12
Sweet, Thanks Barry... Think seeding is good as top 4 Allways deserve it.. With some of the draws 2 date just makes u wonder ae... All teams deserve 2nd run 2nd nite also.. Hope they have changed format if running old format.. would normally agree with you, however the seeded teams this year were not really the best - don't forget the mighty Hawkeyes were 1 of only 2 unbeaten teams last year, but were not in the top 4 - go figure. And to all those who will say "they didn't get enough points" - I say bla bla bla, the object of a competition is to win and that is exactly what the Hawkeyes did. Points should only come in to the equation when the teams have an equal win/loss ratio, that way winning becomes key again, just like it should be!!! end of sermon how many were unbeaten on night 1 |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 1, 2014 1:24:28 GMT 12
would normally agree with you, however the seeded teams this year were not really the best - don't forget the mighty Hawkeyes were 1 of only 2 unbeaten teams last year, but were not in the top 4 - go figure. And to all those who will say "they didn't get enough points" - I say bla bla bla, the object of a competition is to win and that is exactly what the Hawkeyes did. Points should only come in to the equation when the teams have an equal win/loss ratio, that way winning becomes key again, just like it should be!!! end of sermon how many were unbeaten on night 1 Why does that matter. They didn't lose a race, just didn't score enough points when they did win. Basically won the fight, but lost the battle. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2014 6:54:41 GMT 12
Points are also needed on Night 1 to determine who races whom on Night 2.
Winning is the object, yes, but you drive out the gate on Night 1 knowing you need points so can't really complain if you dip out. It's obviously an area HB need to work on, having a second car up there as well. The return to Group racing this year might help them, as you can't have 2 teams in any group sitting on 2 wins.
I can here fans complaining if a team with 200 points advanced over one with 300. I'm sure what happened with HB last year will likely NEVER happen again. It couldn't, could it? It seems to be the story of HB's teams champs history.......
You have to race the format as well as the opposition. As the TAB says, "You know the odds. Now beat them!!"
Let's do it on the terracotta,
Barry B
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Post by tank11 on Feb 1, 2014 7:37:48 GMT 12
Points are also needed on Night 1 to determine who races whom on Night 2. Winning is the object, yes, but you drive out the gate on Night 1 knowing you need points so can't really complain if you dip out. It's obviously an area HB need to work on, having a second car up there as well. The return to Group racing this year might help them, as you can't have 2 teams in any group sitting on 2 wins. I can here fans complaining if a team with 200 points advanced over one with 300. I'm sure what happened with HB last year will likely NEVER happen again. It couldn't, could it? It seems to be the story of HB's teams champs history....... You have to race the format as well as the opposition. As the TAB says, "You know the odds. Now beat them!!" Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Barry, shame on you. Promoting a non allowed subject on here............ Go to the corner and face the wall...........lol |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2014 8:02:56 GMT 12
Barry, shame on you. Promoting a non allowed subject on here............ Go to the corner and face the wall...........lol I've given myself a 24 hour ban Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by thejoker on Feb 1, 2014 8:43:35 GMT 12
how many were unbeaten on night 1 Why does that matter. They didn't lose a race, just didn't score enough points when they did win. Basically won the fight, but lost the battle. 5 Teams were unbeaten on night 1. Panthers Busters Mustangs Lions Hawkeyes You can only have 4 semi finalists therefore points have to come into play. I can't think of any other way to do it. |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 4, 2014 7:41:08 GMT 12
What time is the draw being done and whats the radio chanel?
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