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Post by TonyG188r on Mar 19, 2014 19:47:07 GMT 12
Not sure if this is the right place to post?
Just wondering how a remit is put into place/actioned? or the process as such?
I have always thought about this topic and recently seen another post on facebook this evening about the use of quick change diffs in stockcars. Personally i don't see any advantage or disadvantage performance wise in having a quick change, but someone feel free to advise me otherwise if im wrong? Other than the advantage of changing ratios between races obviously. The cost i guess is the other thing, but with the prices of diff heads and axles (namely toyota as majority of guys are running toyota as an assumption?) is rising and i know ive seen 4:8 diffs getting rather hard to get. Would it actually save stockcar guys $$ in the longer run with axles and diff heads breaking??
id be very interested to hear peoples thoughts for and against.... and as my stockcar is still in the build id be pretty keen to get a quick change rule put ahead sooner rather than later? id definately fork out for one thats for sure.
Let the discussion begin lol
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Post by cookster on Mar 19, 2014 20:05:50 GMT 12
I can for sure see where you are coming from but for me it is the cost. A new quick change is around the 3.5k mark new( please correct me if I am wrong)in a lot of cases that is at least a third of the cost of the complete car
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Post by engineer on Mar 19, 2014 20:21:30 GMT 12
Could be can of worms as quickchange head and axle might be 3.5 K but then you add on brakes and floaters,bird-cages,hubs,studs and pressure plates and the sky is the limit...It then opens up the debate on rotors and calipers,6 pin wheels etc etc.....
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Post by TonyG188r on Mar 19, 2014 20:29:09 GMT 12
Could be can of worms as quickchange head and axle might be 3.5 K but then you add on brakes and floaters,bird-cages,hubs,studs and pressure plates and the sky is the limit...It then opens up the debate on rotors and calipers,6 pin wheels etc etc..... some guys are already running 6 stud mazda wheels though on stockcars arent they? |
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Post by TonyG188r on Mar 19, 2014 20:41:03 GMT 12
One of the replys on the facebook discussion. ...
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Post by Admin on Mar 19, 2014 21:15:16 GMT 12
You guys talking about putting quickchanges into Stockcars worry me . A similar thing happened in the Saloon class and I believe it has been the prime motivator to taking the class well away from where it was intended. The end result has been reduced Saturday night fields at most if not all tracks.
If a Quickchange is ever allowed in a Stockcar it should be with mandated gears for the whole country.
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Post by beachboy on Mar 19, 2014 21:28:30 GMT 12
hope this was planned to be an April 1st remit. There is already a class called Superstocks!
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Post by BarryB on Mar 20, 2014 7:05:59 GMT 12
Both Saloon and Stockcars are nowhere near what they were, what they were intended to be and, most of all, what they need to be, to continue to grow as a spectacle. Gut feeling says Saloons are in a worse state, but Stockcars could follow in the slipstream.
Barry B
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 7:27:56 GMT 12
Could be can of worms as quickchange head and axle might be 3.5 K but then you add on brakes and floaters,bird-cages,hubs,studs and pressure plates and the sky is the limit...It then opens up the debate on rotors and calipers,6 pin wheels etc etc..... some guys are already running 6 stud mazda wheels though on stockcars arent they? 6 pin wheels are the ones with the single big nut holding the wheel on, so a different kettle of fish and much more expensive than 6 wheel nuts! |
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Post by bikeboy on Mar 20, 2014 7:33:22 GMT 12
Both Saloon and Stockcars are nowhere near what they were, what they were intended to be and, most of all, what they need to be, to continue to grow as a spectacle. Gut feeling says Saloons are in a worse state, but Stockcars could follow in the slipstream. Barry B would agree with you Barry, the Saloon class seems to have dropped off majorily in the last few years, but i am not sure quick changes are all the issue, to set up a commercial or 9 inch diff is similar money, |
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Post by BarryB on Mar 20, 2014 7:53:03 GMT 12
Yeah, sorry bikeboy, I didn't just mean as a result of Q/C's. I'm no rule expert, but the lack of cars of track at the likes of Auckland and Baypark when compared to a few short years ago tells some sort of story.........
Barry B
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Post by Taz33s on Mar 20, 2014 7:58:44 GMT 12
Personally i think no. If we all start to put quick changes in our cars we may aswell all go superstock racing. theres really no need to spend so much on a diff we are ment to be STOCKcars arnt we?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 8:42:34 GMT 12
Ridiculous idea if you ask me . Following year it will be remove restrictor plates and fit headers.
The class is getting out of control now in the pricing department and adding quickchange diffs will screw it up some more .
Keep the class affordable I say ..
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Post by sabbath on Mar 20, 2014 9:17:16 GMT 12
Yea but it still not really a affordable class as some are spending big $s on there cars its just like the ministocks look at the price of some of them on here for sale i thort they where suppose to a affordable starting class to get ya kids into & when some pple are spending $5 to $8+K on them how are you suppose to compete with them  |
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Post by mcfly on Mar 20, 2014 14:44:39 GMT 12
Ridiculous idea if you ask me . Following year it will be remove restrictor plates and fit headers. The class is getting out of control now in the pricing department and adding quickchange diffs will screw it up some more . Keep the class affordable I say .. The class has been out of control for a very long time highrevz. It started in the mid 90's when people started using rod ends, o'halleran (sp?) suspension components etc. When the "affordable" class has cars costing and selling for $30 - $50k it is waaaay out of hand. |
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Post by sabbath on Mar 20, 2014 16:24:02 GMT 12
Ridiculous idea if you ask me . Following year it will be remove restrictor plates and fit headers. The class is getting out of control now in the pricing department and adding quickchange diffs will screw it up some more . Keep the class affordable I say .. The class has been out of control for a very long time highrevz. It started in the mid 90's when people started using rod ends, o'halleran (sp?) suspension components etc. When the "affordable" class has cars costing and selling for $30 - $50k it is waaaay out of hand. My point aswell mcfly it seams to happen in all classes so how do you keep up with 1s that do have the money to spend you just cant |
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Post by cookster on Mar 20, 2014 20:27:38 GMT 12
If you are going to spend 30k on a stock why not just go into supers.
I recon the max you should be paying for a standard is 20k but nearer 10 to 15k for a good quality car is nearer the mark.
i am no expert but just my opinion
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Post by TonyG188r on Mar 20, 2014 20:45:50 GMT 12
interetsting reading from everyone thanks.... great to see opinions.
Once agin ill say it as i see it.... it seems that supply and demand for toyota diff parts namely being heads and axles seem to be rising along wiht the prices. people know they can charge heaps more and are doing so... same thing wiht gearboxes... in the long run i feel that i would save money by having a diff that surely wouldnt break under stockcar engine power therefore creating more reliability.
Now forther to that.... saying i might aswell go superstock is nothing in comparison... im not considering spending 2k a corner or whatever it is that penske shocks are worth, im not even interetsed in paying what Qa1's are worth, same goes for engines... im lookign at spending 6-8k on my engine which should put me fairly up there on power from my enigne builder and being competitive... compare that to if i was in a superstock i have 2 shows... s..t show and no show of competing. as i said i find it money saving and more affordable to maybe put a quickchange in my car than it would in the long run to run a toyota that is gonna break axles and diffheads.
Hope that doesnt come across snarky etc just putting more discussion points out there and very interested in this subject and loving reading what others have to say about it for/against as i think ive already said.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by TonyG188r on Mar 20, 2014 20:48:30 GMT 12
If you are going to spend 30k on a stock why not just go into supers. I recon the max you should be paying for a standard is 20k but nearer 10 to 15k for a good quality car is nearer the mark. i am no expert but just my opinion simply because 30k does not cut it to be competitive in a superstock anymore? thats not even half what more than a dozen guys i could name, engines are worth let alone the rest. (most running penske shocks for instance) |
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Post by TonyG188r on Mar 20, 2014 20:52:09 GMT 12
Ridiculous idea if you ask me . Following year it will be remove restrictor plates and fit headers. The class is getting out of control now in the pricing department and adding quickchange diffs will screw it up some more . Keep the class affordable I say .. i see your point in saying it could snowball but i am deifnately not, nor will i ever suggest changing any rules to do with motor/hp/power/ whatever way u wanna put it. i simply as i wrote above think that a driveline item like a diff wouldnt make too much of a difference to performance advantages? it would only be more reliable behind a stockcar powered engine and after teh amount of broken diffheads/axles ive seen and heard of it just makes a little sense. cheers for your reply  |
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