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Post by 888hsv on Aug 24, 2014 22:17:07 GMT 12
Gosh these new brooms ,must of been on special this week ,may of been some from Frances,warehouse,,its great to see such enthusiasm going into promoting the place ,i only hope they dont have cheap handles ,and the brissles fall out, that often happens . Well midway thanks for coming on board with your comments ( funny ) and as stated from the start its all about lifting the profile of WP and hopefully the right people are watching and reading and the ideas that may come forth they take on board!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 23:57:49 GMT 12
Waikaraka Park used to have big crowds to regular meetings. I have been to big meetings where the grand stand was full and for major events it was full and no more access 30 minutes before the start. Additional the park was at capacity and gates closed as the meeting started. This was a long time ago in the 80s and 90s. The cash registers were ringing and big money was made on the night. Drivers were paid good prize money and those that traveled were paid money to travel. And the rest of the $$$ went to ? I'm going to try my hand at some Nicky Hager type join the dots, Make some assumptions, throw some brown sticky stuff and see if it sticks type B/S Well they built their clubrooms, and flash deck so those that were a little better than the rest could have a good seat/view. Then they should have and might even said mmmm we should look at some long term infrastructure fund to replace things like the wall. If they did those who sit on the deck in front of the new clubrooms might have said "What you wanna waste $$$ on that for? Bits of concrete as it comes flying out of the wall on the turns will never reach up here" Then Bill e mailed Sue and it appears they said if the scum wanna sit in the corners let them get covered in concrete. Meanwhile other papers and documents show several fingers were in the till and ohhh look over there those e mails would appear to back up what I'm saying, and Kim my sources assure me I have drawn the right comclusions. Ok thats taking it a bit far but your right the place has had a history that would have allowed a simple future fund put in place at the right time, and spent in the right places could have saved a lot of good ppl a lot of headaches over the last 6 or 7 years. |
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Post by brendanlucas on Aug 25, 2014 7:33:11 GMT 12
Gosh these new brooms ,must of been on special this week ,may of been some from Frances,warehouse,,its great to see such enthusiasm going into promoting the place ,i only hope they dont have cheap handles ,and the brissles fall out, that often happens . Fortunately, they purchased the brooms on the internet allowing them to bypass the GST & allowing the really cheap overseas labour costs making them a fraction of what they would have cost in our shop's that may well have been selling the over priced NZ made ones, well actually they wouldn't because that factory just closed down because they couldn't compete, but don't worry about the shop owners or there workers or the factory owners or there workers cause its not you (hopefully), & don't worry about you're property values dropping because we have some very nice foreigners lining up to buy the property, so the values won't go down, if anything the will double & triple so if you already own property you can get yourself another flat screen TV to celebrate, yee haa. Seriously, the Wacky Park is fortunate to have some very passionate people, & fortunate to have some very astute promotion now in place that may be tacking baby steps, but those steps are all in the rite direction. BL |
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Post by teamkaos on Aug 25, 2014 8:32:25 GMT 12
Waikaraka park is getting much better. In my opinion as I and most people are not at all interested in six shooters or minisprints. So where is a new driver trying to get into the sport, thats based in Auckland, Supposed to race? This Attitude is the exact reason why the Minisprint fields are so small up here in the North of the North island! If your not going to regularly put them on the program then there is not going to be much interest in the class simply because people cant race them at their 'Local' club. You just have to look at the tracks that run them on a regular basis and they have plenty of cars. Palmy, Wellington, Stratford etc. And by not running a decent feeder class the other classes are fading cause the core of the drivers dont have anywhere to start once they are out of ministocks, only a small percentage would have the backing to jump straight into a Modified or Saloon. Or, the learner driver has to go race a TQ or F2 at the Springs cause really, he has not choice! cause Waikarka dosnt give you any options. Well if you actually want to go fast that is. |
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Post by japsuper on Aug 25, 2014 12:13:30 GMT 12
Cheaper to run a saloon than a Tq or a f2 midget. Also cheaper to be further up the field in a saloon than the others mentioned. However that said the saloon rules don't really encourage a new generation of racer into new generation model cars. Still stuck in the 80's
Just go and listen to Bryan Hartley interview on the pits show from last week
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Post by Rob (on the job) Ross on Aug 25, 2014 12:34:19 GMT 12
Replace the wall should be the first thing on the list. Hey Devilracer have you got the money to replace the wall as it would cost just under a million to do the hole wall. Yes I can remember when there was that many that the gate staff were told to tell who ever came in at there own cost and mite not see any of the racing and that was the 193 NZ Super stock Champs. It would be great to see it happen again Racing is for the dirt not the roads |
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Post by brettgrace on Aug 25, 2014 13:01:21 GMT 12
japsuper what does it cost to run your saloon? Out of curiosity.
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Post by teamkaos on Aug 25, 2014 13:33:27 GMT 12
Cheaper to run a saloon than a Tq or a f2 midget. Also cheaper to be further up the field in a saloon than the others mentioned. However that said the saloon rules don't really encourage a new generation of racer into new generation model cars. Still stuck in the 80's Just go and listen to Bryan Hartley interview on the pits show from last week You think? Ive Been told You could do a nights racing in a Water cooled TQ for $10 if you dont do any damage. Not including tyres ofcourse. And I would say the Average Saloon tyre is a heap more expensive than that of a TQ. I know with Minisprints, If you dont do any damage then ya can do a meeting for well under $100 as they dont burn up tyres at all. In fact for guys that live in Auckland the most expensive part of Minisprint racing is travelling to and from the racing cause there is hardly any meetings for them at Waikaraka! I would imagine F2's being slightly more expensive, not sure how much, but I cant see it being more than a Saloon to run a meeting. |
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Post by Hoosier on Aug 25, 2014 13:37:05 GMT 12
Cheaper to run a saloon than a Tq or a f2 midget. Also cheaper to be further up the field in a saloon than the others mentioned. However that said the saloon rules don't really encourage a new generation of racer into new generation model cars. Still stuck in the 80's Just go and listen to Bryan Hartley interview on the pits show from last week You may well be right (i havent the foggiest) BUT for an open wheel competitor or wannabe competitor what the hell is the point jumping in a saloon??? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 14:08:44 GMT 12
japsuper what does it cost to run your saloon? Out of curiosity. I'll give you an honest answer, the cost to run the car for one meeting is $161.50, this is assuming we are starting the season with a new set of tyres and excluding travel and damage costs. $161.50 is made up of 30ltrs of Av Gas at $3 a liter = $90, $107.50 of Amsoil synthetic motor oil changed every 5 meetings = $21.50 each meeting, 1 new RR and RF (total of $650.90) every 13 meetings = $50 each meeting. Codi |
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Post by brettgrace on Aug 25, 2014 14:40:57 GMT 12
Pretty much identical to the F2, our tyres are cheaper and so is methanol but we'd burn just as much of it even with a little ice cream tub motor. Do you run an SBC @91h?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 14:46:19 GMT 12
brettgrace we run a small block Ford, but majority of the saloons run small block chevs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:49:41 GMT 12
Replace the wall should be the first thing on the list. Hey Devilracer have you got the money to replace the wall as it would cost just under a million to do the hole wall. Yes I can remember when there was that many that the gate staff were told to tell who ever came in at there own cost and mite not see any of the racing and that was the 193 NZ Super stock Champs. It would be great to see it happen again Racing is for the dirt not the roads so they are allowed to continue to run with a wall that crumbles and has chunks fall off even if the car that hits it is a saloon or midget? SNZ has a minimum standard that each tracks wall has to be at in order to have an SNZ sanctioned meeting - if the wall is not at that standard they get fined. Im amazed waikaraka's wall has not slipped below that standard - or that it has not been noticed by SNZ given that half the country knows its too soft and crumbles too much. Are Waikaraka allowed to put saving money above competitor safety? thats what it boils down to. if they dont repair - properly - or replace the whole wall soon its gonna do some serious damage to someone important and the place will be shut down. |
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Post by brettgrace on Aug 25, 2014 16:50:54 GMT 12
302? How many laps do you get in a normal night's racing?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:59:12 GMT 12
well one thing that always feels like its a weak link with promoters is their reliance on club reps to do their job for them, getting guys to the track, creating events..you know...I have never been certain of the relationship between the club and the promoter, its unclear to me and its a real grey area for me...how do you answer a question or join debate when you dont fully understand that relationship?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 17:02:50 GMT 12
302? How many laps do you get in a normal night's racing? Old engine was a 302, but our new engine is a 347ci Windsor built by Stealth Race Engines. Heats are generally 10 to 12 laps and feature is 12 to 15 laps on a normal night, for a championship we normally have 20 laps for the feature. Codi |
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Post by Devilracer on Aug 25, 2014 18:25:06 GMT 12
Hey Devilracer have you got the money to replace the wall as it would cost just under a million to do the hole wall. Yes I can remember when there was that many that the gate staff were told to tell who ever came in at there own cost and mite not see any of the racing and that was the 193 NZ Super stock Champs. It would be great to see it happen again Racing is for the dirt not the roads so they are allowed to continue to run with a wall that crumbles and has chunks fall off even if the car that hits it is a saloon or midget? SNZ has a minimum standard that each tracks wall has to be at in order to have an SNZ sanctioned meeting - if the wall is not at that standard they get fined. Im amazed waikaraka's wall has not slipped below that standard - or that it has not been noticed by SNZ given that half the country knows its too soft and crumbles too much. Are Waikaraka allowed to put saving money above competitor safety? thats what it boils down to. if they dont repair - properly - or replace the whole wall soon its gonna do some serious damage to someone important and the place will be shut down. I agree, If the club is to continue on with the current wall issue I can see drivers getting hurt and those in the crowd wearing more concrete. Its expensive yes, but its something that money should have been put aside for. As a driver id be happy to take 5% less prizemoney to see the money put into the wall replacement. It doesnt sound a lot but over a season it adds up. Its been an issue for a few seasons now so no excuses really. |
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Post by 888hsv on Aug 25, 2014 18:27:56 GMT 12
well one thing that always feels like its a weak link with promoters is their reliance on club reps to do their job for them, getting guys to the track, creating events..you know...I have never been certain of the relationship between the club and the promoter, its unclear to me and its a real grey area for me...how do you answer a question or join debate when you dont fully understand that relationship? Yes a great question..... would be very interested in a answer on the relationships?. shorely has an impact and a question is the class rep liked by the drivers as if that relationship is good then that would answer a question or 2...... |
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Post by 888hsv on Aug 25, 2014 18:32:22 GMT 12
Waikaraka Park used to have big crowds to regular meetings. I have been to big meetings where the grand stand was full and for major events it was full and no more access 30 minutes before the start. Additional the park was at capacity and gates closed as the meeting started. This was a long time ago in the 80s and 90s. The cash registers were ringing and big money was made on the night. Drivers were paid good prize money and those that traveled were paid money to travel. And the rest of the $$$ went to ? I'm going to try my hand at some Nicky Hager type join the dots, Make some assumptions, throw some brown sticky stuff and see if it sticks type B/S Well they built their clubrooms, and flash deck so those that were a little better than the rest could have a good seat/view. Then they should have and might even said mmmm we should look at some long term infrastructure fund to replace things like the wall. If they did those who sit on the deck in front of the new clubrooms might have said "What you wanna waste $$$ on that for? Bits of concrete as it comes flying out of the wall on the turns will never reach up here" Then Bill e mailed Sue and it appears they said if the scum wanna sit in the corners let them get covered in concrete. Meanwhile other papers and documents show several fingers were in the till and ohhh look over there those e mails would appear to back up what I'm saying, and Kim my sources assure me I have drawn the right comclusions. Ok thats taking it a bit far but your right the place has had a history that would have allowed a simple future fund put in place at the right time, and spent in the right places could have saved a lot of good ppl a lot of headaches over the last 6 or 7 years. Well I hope their fingers got the chop if that's the case if not I hope Karma bites or those blue and red lights arrive to seek the return of dollars and cents that the club requires!!! |
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Post by 888hsv on Aug 25, 2014 18:37:38 GMT 12
It would be great to see better communications coming from the club out to the punters so they know what's happening at club ie working bees are required to make sure the track is looking good for next season. It would be good to know how the club is financially after last season, what's it doing to draw in new members ( drivers ) this season....
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