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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2015 20:48:08 GMT 12
And I have the 188r stockcar Gribbs And you're going pretty good too. |
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Post by TonyG188r on Jan 26, 2015 20:49:34 GMT 12
I struggle to see any point in this discussion really to be honest was just a curiosity thing and was interested in hearing everyone else's opinions.
The thought All somewhat stemmed from me not qualifying for the Auckland champs and then having some serious fun in the consolation race with the other guys where all I felt was going on was we were all turning right and smashing each other but there were no suicide hits and no high speed wind offs etc instead of actually racing and the crowd seemed to love it from what I was told.
I just see if there were plenty of low cost cars out there to smash and bash that the owners cared less about than a 30k stockcar they didn't really wanna wreck too much , it would almost bring back the class as it was originally all about perhaps?
Im not sure if what I'm thinking is coming across as I type it out properly or making sense haha so apologies if it doesn't, as I say I just found myself to have more fun crashing than actually caring about racing
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Post by TonyG188r on Jan 26, 2015 20:51:13 GMT 12
And I have the 188r stockcar Gribbs And you're going pretty good too. Thanks macgor I appreciate the kind words. 5 meetings young still but loving it! Learning something new every race for sure and getting used to the car slowly |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 20:53:14 GMT 12
And I have the 188r stockcar Gribbs And you're going pretty good too. I have to agree there, having seen quite a few races at rotorua due to crewing on one of the r cars at the moment and asking a bit about who you were last night at Auckland and hearing good positive comments about you keep it up bud. |
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Post by gregobro on Jan 26, 2015 20:53:36 GMT 12
I think they did something like this at Palmy where all the new drivers and the slower cars went out for the first race? Not sure if they still do it but I think the whole "B grade" cars (for lack of a better name) is a good idea IF you have enough cars.
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Post by TonyG188r on Jan 26, 2015 21:03:46 GMT 12
I think they did something like this at Palmy where all the new drivers and the slower cars went out for the first race? Not sure if they still do it but I think the whole "B grade" cars (for lack of a better name) is a good idea IF you have enough cars. Further to that as long as no one got too competitive or precious about Thier race cars and realised that yes stockcars are for hitting each other and crowd entertainment rather than caring about who wins in a suggestive class, I'd much rather be doing that haha |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 22:51:23 GMT 12
And you're going pretty good too. Thanks macgor I appreciate the kind words. 5 meetings young still but loving it! Learning something new every race for sure and getting used to the car slowly Not only going good on the track but off it as well, I for one for the most part enjoy your input on here as well. |
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Post by boner87 on Jan 27, 2015 3:39:52 GMT 12
I think they did something like this at Palmy where all the new drivers and the slower cars went out for the first race? Not sure if they still do it but I think the whole "B grade" cars (for lack of a better name) is a good idea IF you have enough cars. Haven't seen palmerston North do it this season yet. It was quite a good idea for when there are say 10 or so new comers at the start of a season. Pete rees also has occasionally leased a car out for these races |
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2015 7:11:04 GMT 12
I think they did something like this at Palmy where all the new drivers and the slower cars went out for the first race? Not sure if they still do it but I think the whole "B grade" cars (for lack of a better name) is a good idea IF you have enough cars. Interestingly, there are guys who were running in the first race of the night a few seasons ago who are now on the pace in the stockcar class. It won't work at every track as it is numbers-dependent, but at Palmerston North it has proved successful in allowing newcomers to the class to race amongst others of similar speed and ability, and at the same time not get in the way of those who are racing for keeps. |
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Post by meeaneemic on Jan 27, 2015 8:53:21 GMT 12
It will work real well... UNTIL, someone spends $6k in this class where the intent was no one should spend north of $4k then the fastest cars will soon be going as fast as the mid pack runners in the Stockcars, so we will need another class again. So it's a no for me thanks, if I want to watch slow Stockcars wobbling round the track, I'll just go to a normal meeting at Hawkes Bay hehehe. Sorry Fans of the B, just razzing ya That's fighting talk Rammer lol |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 27, 2015 12:24:16 GMT 12
It will work real well... UNTIL, someone spends $6k in this class where the intent was no one should spend north of $4k then the fastest cars will soon be going as fast as the mid pack runners in the Stockcars, so we will need another class again. So it's a no for me thanks, if I want to watch slow Stockcars wobbling round the track, I'll just go to a normal meeting at Hawkes Bay hehehe. Sorry Fans of the B, just razzing ya That's fighting talk Rammer lol Get ya handbags out, girls.....................Mic, watch out for Rammers back hand. |
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Post by TonyG188r on Jan 27, 2015 13:16:16 GMT 12
Thanks macgor I appreciate the kind words. 5 meetings young still but loving it! Learning something new every race for sure and getting used to the car slowly Not only going good on the track but off it as well, I for one for the most part enjoy your input on here as well. For the most part haha sorry about the other part |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 16:33:37 GMT 12
Rather than split the stockcar class , maybe they should work on restricting the original class to what it was originally designed for .. These days stockcars are not much slower than some fairly good superstocks .. Who is held accountable for letting the stockcar class get out of hand  Maybe we can ask the same for the superstock class . I always believed that the stockcar class was something affordable for anyone to join and then move up to superstocks if you wanted more power and speed .. When you see stockcars listed for sale at a price higher than some superstocks its a fair indication of where the class is heading . |
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Post by TonyG188r on Jan 27, 2015 18:24:31 GMT 12
Rather than split the stockcar class , maybe they should work on restricting the original class to what it was originally designed for .. These days stockcars are not much slower than some fairly good superstocks .. Who is held accountable for letting the stockcar class get out of hand Maybe we can ask the same for the superstock class . I always believed that the stockcar class was something affordable for anyone to join and then move up to superstocks if you wanted more power and speed .. When you see stockcars listed for sale at a price higher than some superstocks its a fair indication of where the class is heading . I agree with everything you say for sure, I coujd imagine the drama it would cause if we brought restrictions back that would make most of the current engines illegal though. The gap I mentioned earlier I guess has been closed up somewhat between superstocks and stockcars how?! We see stockcars running Hoosiers and no restrictor plates doing all good in amongst the superstocks (218h and 75p for instance) |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Jan 27, 2015 18:38:13 GMT 12
And I have the 188r stockcar Gribbs And you're going pretty good too. 188r went to Baypark other week and cleaned up Feature race. |
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Post by boner87 on Jan 27, 2015 18:40:53 GMT 12
A lot of of the gap closure is the advancement of technology to get around grey rules. Is there actually much that can be restricted??
Chassis should stay the same to cut the cost of upgrading if that's what people are wanting to do.
Engines...restrictor plates with smaller holes? Rev limiters? Smaller engines? Sealed carbs? Or just more restriction on what you can do to engine including manifold and exhaust.
Rest of the parts from the car perhaps tighter restrictions like certain diffs, g/box, brakes and maybe suspension.
Maybe making the minimum and maximum weights a closer gap so light or heavy car aren't made.
Of course I'm a keyboard warrior but am very interested in where this discussion goes as I would be interested in a cheaper option
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Post by bernie on Jan 27, 2015 18:58:03 GMT 12
As I see it, creating a new class is treating the symptom rather than dealing with actual problem.
The actual problem is, metaphorically speaking, the lunatics are running the asylum. Competitors, who of course are all level headed, not one eyed, or in it to win it, and are renowned for thinking with the big head rather than the little head, are making the rules. While that system is in place, speeds and cost will only spiral up.
I think we have reached that place where we have to call time on both.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 19:17:59 GMT 12
A lot of of the gap closure is the advancement of technology to get around grey rules. Is there actually much that can be restricted?? Chassis should stay the same to cut the cost of upgrading if that's what people are wanting to do. Engines...restrictor plates with smaller holes? Rev limiters? Smaller engines? Sealed carbs? Or just more restriction on what you can do to engine including manifold and exhaust. Rest of the parts from the car perhaps tighter restrictions like certain diffs, g/box, brakes and maybe suspension. Maybe making the minimum and maximum weights a closer gap so light or heavy car aren't made. Of course I'm a keyboard warrior but am very interested in where this discussion goes as I would be interested in a cheaper option I like were your headed - personally think tyre size, type and rev limits myself - not only will a smaller tyre stop all these rally tyres and 4wd tyres that get as much grip - sometimes more - as a hoosier, but a set size rim and tyre for all cars will soon slow people up for more action instead of more speed! just plain street tyre - no 4wd tres, no rally tyres and no snow tyres! Iwould love to see 205/85/15 on every corner - means that tyre pressures and driver ability would come into play more than engines etc. No good having a big dollar engine if your rev limit is 6000rpm and every other engine can do that too, wont fix every problem might help a little though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:06:36 GMT 12
Bang on there Boner87..
Bring it all back so everyone is on a fairly even peg .
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 27, 2015 20:17:16 GMT 12
Rather than split the stockcar class , maybe they should work on restricting the original class to what it was originally designed for .. These days stockcars are not much slower than some fairly good superstocks .. Who is held accountable for letting the stockcar class get out of hand Maybe we can ask the same for the superstock class . I always believed that the stockcar class was something affordable for anyone to join and then move up to superstocks if you wanted more power and speed .. When you see stockcars listed for sale at a price higher than some superstocks its a fair indication of where the class is heading . I believe SNZ is responsible. They did not police the escalation of this class from day one. It is far from a the budget class it was meant to be and now in the too hard basket to bring back. There are some silly prices been asked for stockcars, but that is supply and demand and if someone wants to pay 30k plus for a stockcar then good luck to them. Saloons and stockcars are in the same boat. |
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