rangi
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Post by rangi on Jan 31, 2015 9:13:59 GMT 12
Daytona karts are petrol powered but fair point on the cost and possible failure,was just another idea :-)
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Post by yellabelly34 on Jan 31, 2015 14:38:33 GMT 12
Over here in the UK a number of formulas run with the one way radio system and it makes a massive diffence in how they react to a situation if there's a problem on track. The kids use it in Ministox and when the yellows are thrown (that's kinda like a red flag situation over here), the cars come under a much more controlled stop than they did before the system was used. pretty sure they're also told when the winner has crossed the line etc.
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Post by Tapped on Feb 1, 2015 8:19:52 GMT 12
Just to add a point that seems to have been overlooked. No worries having a light on the dash, or the greens flash when the lead car crosses the finish line, but drivers need to know 'who' that lead car is - as the 'hit' showed last week, not all drivers know who is at the pointy end. If they don't know who that lead car is we possibly stand to loose the spectacle of the last lap lunge that has cost many a driver a podium finish. For those who say FRAT, long story short - one way radio link that say leader no. Whatever has crossed the line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 9:00:43 GMT 12
It always amuses me when someone has their say and then follows it up with "this thread should be locked" As if to say,my word is final, therefore the thread is now worthless, lets move on......  Im not a big crash and bash fan,but the thread discussion is pretty good IMHO It always amuses me when someone has their say and then follows it up with "IMHO". A truly humble person would not even recognize themselves as being humble. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2015 9:09:50 GMT 12
It always amuses me when someone has their say and then follows it up with "IMHO". A truly humble person would not even recognize themselves as being humble. That's IYHO, of course  Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 9:59:01 GMT 12
It always amuses me when someone has their say and then follows it up with "IMHO". A truly humble person would not even recognize themselves as being humble. That's IYHO, of course Barry B Sharp reply there Barry B! However on a more serious note, I'm a bit confused. Does your moderator status give you moderators an excuse to wonder off topic? Isn't drifting off topic a very serious crime around here? I know as a little lamb, whenever I breach certain draconian rules seemingly plucked out of thin air, like the unwritten 'stay on topic' control thing, I will be severely punished accordingly. However as flock leaders, shouldn't you be setting a better example for the sheep to follow?  |
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Post by TonyG188r on Feb 1, 2015 10:51:57 GMT 12
I thought the H in IMHO was "honest" not humble
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Post by TonyT on Feb 1, 2015 12:43:19 GMT 12
I dread the thought of a system failure causing a monumental incident because the drivers are relying on them. Isn't that exactly why happened last weekend at the 248s, and why we now feel the need to suggest alternatives? The fact is, we have the technology available so that we don't need to rely on systems based on people waving flags. When cars were first invented in the late 1800s the law of the day required a man to walk in front of it waving a red flag. Surely we can do a bit better in 2015? |
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Post by Admin on Feb 1, 2015 13:12:47 GMT 12
I dread the thought of a system failure causing a monumental incident because the drivers are relying on them. Isn't that exactly why happened last weekend at the 248s, and why we now feel the need to suggest alternatives? The fact is, we have the technology available so that we don't need to rely on systems based on people waving flags. When cars were first invented in the late 1800s the law of the day required a man to walk in front of it waving a red flag. Surely we can do a bit better in 2015? I was having a bit of fun with the red flags on sticks but just to be sure everyone is clear the incident at Palmy was under green light conditions. |
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Post by TonyT on Feb 1, 2015 13:53:34 GMT 12
Isn't that exactly why happened last weekend at the 248s, and why we now feel the need to suggest alternatives? The fact is, we have the technology available so that we don't need to rely on systems based on people waving flags. When cars were first invented in the late 1800s the law of the day required a man to walk in front of it waving a red flag. Surely we can do a bit better in 2015? I was having a bit of fun with the red flags on sticks but just to be sure everyone is clear the incident at Palmy was under green light conditions. Certainly, but it also (allegedly) involved the non-seeing of waved flags. If we can improve driver awareness of any of the racing inputs they need to take account of then we should be looking into it. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 1, 2015 14:10:55 GMT 12
I was having a bit of fun with the red flags on sticks but just to be sure everyone is clear the incident at Palmy was under green light conditions. Certainly, but it also (allegedly) involved the non-seeing of waved flags. If we can improve driver awareness of any of the racing inputs they need to take account of then we should be looking into it. Only the white flag & chequered Tony. For that aspect I still favour flashing green track lights (LEDs) for when a driver has won as a heads up to everyone as in other drivers, track staff, commentators, spectators and anyone else I've forgotten. I'm open mined about for the red light incidents, just have to be sure the technology is 100%. Then there are the cost and checking issues. |
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Post by Go Slideways on Feb 1, 2015 17:04:10 GMT 12
I'm just wondering.. but, if a car has so much tape applying across the front and diagonally across the drivers side window to reduce sun strike that it makes it possibly very hard to see the flags, would that same car have passed scrutineering in the first place had all the tape been on ?
Fortunately the sun is on your back down the start/finish straight at Palmy so sun strike isn't as bad as the grandstand straight.
Just wondering..
PS: Most road cars have a sun visor that you can flick up when not needed, maybe these could be an option.
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Post by beachboy on Feb 1, 2015 17:42:14 GMT 12
Still be same situation if the sun visor was down on the last or final lap wouldn't it?
Re: lights on dash
I'm pretty sure red and/or orange lights are banned from inside the cockpit of cars because the marshals-stewards could mistake them for a fire?
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Post by jeds on Feb 1, 2015 17:59:00 GMT 12
i tend to agree with you magor regarding the flashing green lights, but whole process needs to start at the pit gate, run a wire at the pit gate so the lap scoring system records all cars in that race entering the track, then records each lap (as it does now) then your green light starts flashing as the race winner crosses the finish line,the other drivers see the green flashing and know the race is affectively over but to continue racing til they cross the finish line, every driver knows where the finish line is, and it needs to be the race winners transponder that triggers the light to flash, i went to wacky park lastnight and watched how the whole process of each race went, not hard to see how some problems arise, the biggest thing that stuck out was the height of the flag man,how the mod could see the flags i don't know,and the stockcar guys sit right at the back of the mostly ford y bodied cars,with a sunvisor at the top of windsreen opening so unless the flags are waived as they start coming down the front straight i guess they have to rely on the light's,in a couple of races the race winner completed almost a full lap after the checkered at full speed before the yellows came on, so it highlights the use of the lights for the drivers, i'm not picking at the good folks at wacky park,just the way i saw thing's, was well worth money lastnight,
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 1, 2015 18:57:54 GMT 12
I dread the thought of a system failure causing a monumental incident because the drivers are relying on them. Isn't that exactly why happened last weekend at the 248s, and why we now feel the need to suggest alternatives? The fact is, we have the technology available so that we don't need to rely on systems based on people waving flags. When cars were first invented in the late 1800s the law of the day required a man to walk in front of it waving a red flag. Surely we can do a bit better in 2015? Yeah, except that was an intentional hit. The real scary ones are when drivers don't see a red light for a dangerous situation ie rolled car with lid facing oncoming traffic. |
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Post by Shai-tan on Feb 1, 2015 21:50:11 GMT 12
i tend to agree with you magor regarding the flashing green lights, but whole process needs to start at the pit gate, run a wire at the pit gate so the lap scoring system records all cars in that race entering the track, then records each lap (as it does now) then your green light starts flashing as the race winner crosses the finish line,the other drivers see the green flashing and know the race is affectively over but to continue racing til they cross the finish line, every driver knows where the finish line is, and it needs to be the race winners transponder that triggers the light to flash, i went to wacky park lastnight and watched how the whole process of each race went, not hard to see how some problems arise, the biggest thing that stuck out was the height of the flag man,how the mod could see the flags i don't know,and the stockcar guys sit right at the back of the mostly ford y bodied cars,with a sunvisor at the top of windsreen opening so unless the flags are waived as they start coming down the front straight i guess they have to rely on the light's,in a couple of races the race winner completed almost a full lap after the checkered at full speed before the yellows came on, so it highlights the use of the lights for the drivers, i'm not picking at the good folks at wacky park,just the way i saw thing's, was well worth money lastnight, Why not just have it controlled by a human as other lights are? Unfortunately lap scoring still isn't reliable enough and would just introduce another point of failure. Have the man with the red/yellow light button have a 'flash green' button. |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 1, 2015 22:24:20 GMT 12
It's interesting to note that one of the finish of the race rules has a loop hole in it which disadvantages any cars that receive the chequered flag and carry on racing at pace and pass (lap) other cars.
R12-3-50 When a competitor has received the chequered flag they will take
Action to avoid all other cars until the yellow lights are shown.
Below is an example of what could happen using the names of the two drivers being talked about at the moment (NOTE example only, this is not what happened!)
If Asher had crossed the line and taken the chequered flag and then passed (lapped) a waiting Kerry, then Kerry is legally able to attack him but Asher can’t atack kerry while the lights are still green as Kerry hasn't received the chequered flag yet but Asher has.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 2, 2015 8:02:32 GMT 12
It always amuses me when someone has their say and then follows it up with "this thread should be locked" As if to say,my word is final, therefore the thread is now worthless, lets move on...... Im not a big crash and bash fan,but the thread discussion is pretty good IMHO It always amuses me when someone has their say and then follows it up with "IMHO". A truly humble person would not even recognize themselves as being humble. Might be honest opinion? |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 2, 2015 8:17:47 GMT 12
It's interesting to note that one of the finish of the race rules has a loop hole in it which disadvantages any cars that receive the chequered flag and carry on racing at pace and pass (lap) other cars.
R12-3-50 When a competitor has received the chequered flag they will take
Action to avoid all other cars until the yellow lights are shown.
Below is an example of what could happen using the names of the two drivers being talked about at the moment (NOTE example only, this is not what happened!) If Asher had crossed the line and taken the chequered flag and then passed (lapped) a waiting Kerry, then Kerry is legally able to attack him but Asher can’t atack kerry while the lights are still green as Kerry hasn't received the chequered flag yet but Asher has. Yes Beachy, that can and has happened. In that case the "b" car is not at fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 14:28:15 GMT 12
I like the one way radio idea, particularly for putting drivers back on red lights, as a lot of drivers seem to creep a few extra illegal metres in the stock classes, just watch any incar vidro, or general video for that matter.
I also like the lights on dash idea, I personally dont think cost is too prohibitive, given the prices of the cars themselves, a few hundred dollars or even a thousand could be neither hear nor there for a lot of drivers.
As the sport, and technology progress, I would like to see more technology utilised to better the sport.
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