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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Aug 13, 2015 19:27:49 GMT 12
Must be a competition going somewhere within SNZ or an extended April Fools!
It's an epidemic!
How many new rules can we implement, how much confusion in a season, and how many competitors can we weed out!
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Post by The Godfather on Aug 13, 2015 20:07:29 GMT 12
. ie Methanol is much less likely to ignite in the first place so conceivably doing nothing in the methanol based classes will still be safer than petrol classes with a dry powder fire extinguisher.
That has to be the craziest piece of logic I've ever seen.
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Post by Yard on Aug 13, 2015 22:08:13 GMT 12
. ie Methanol is much less likely to ignite in the first place so conceivably doing nothing in the methanol based classes will still be safer than petrol classes with a dry powder fire extinguisher.
That has to be the craziest piece of logic I've ever seen.
I agree with you c flame crusher. Try telling the tanker driver in western Australia that he is less likely to get burnt with methanol.1st degree burns to 90% of his body. Static electricity out of his clothes or hair set it off. I worked transport this stuff here in Christchurch back in the days of ICI (NZ Ltd). 33,000 lts at a time. No way in this world is this stuff safer than petrol or Ethanol. |
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Post by mod46c on Aug 14, 2015 7:12:13 GMT 12
. ie Methanol is much less likely to ignite in the first place so conceivably doing nothing in the methanol based classes will still be safer than petrol classes with a dry powder fire extinguisher.
That has to be the craziest piece of logic I've ever seen.
Where are your references to support your assertion that my logic is crazy? From: www.methanolfuels.org/about-methanol/safety/The greatest danger from the use of gasoline as a vehicle fuel is from fires. Gasoline fires in vehicles result in hundreds of deaths and millions of dollars in property damage each year. Methanol does not evaporate or form vapors as readily as gasoline does, and methanol vapors must be four times more concentrated in air than gasoline to ignite. I didn't claim it was safe only that it is safer than petrol, and raised the possibility that the risks involved with petrol plus fire extinguisher was still greater than methanol without one. |
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Post by Pirate Racing NZ on Aug 14, 2015 7:49:44 GMT 12
Okay, so MOST of us run petrol in our cars, what will meet requirements for all tracks as to what we carry? Doesn't dry powder destroy things? And yes in know fire does also, would co2 be a good start, it starves and cools so is it about personal safety and getting a driver away from the car or taking over the job of the fire crews? Perhaps a co2 and a foam? I have been carrying two co2 anyway!
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Post by mike004 on Aug 14, 2015 8:54:32 GMT 12
Okay, so MOST of us run petrol in our cars, what will meet requirements for all tracks as to what we carry? Doesn't dry powder destroy things? And yes in know fire does also, would co2 be a good start, it starves and cools so is it about personal safety and getting a driver away from the car or taking over the job of the fire crews? Perhaps a co2 and a foam? I have been carrying two co2 anyway! My suggestion would be a (abe)dry powder. It can be used on all the fuels. CO2 in an open air environment will be quite ineffective, espessially if it is windy! Plus it wont smoother the fuel, which could cause a re-ignition.The down side of dry powder is the mess, but it is mostly sodium bicarbinate (baking soda). Methonal can be put out with a fine water spray, as long as you have enough!Same with AV gas, but for all round use- Dry Powder. |
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Post by brendanlucas on Aug 14, 2015 9:01:20 GMT 12
Many of the weekend warrior types have there own mig welder, & quite often that welder has a CO2 bottle attached to it. Interestingly, that CO2 is exactly the same as the CO2 in the fire extinguisher. If the bottle isn't too cumbersome. then all you need to do is get the proper horn (available from you're friendly gas filler station) & attach to you're bottle (and perhaps some flexi hose). You don't need any special regulator. Warning though, some of the kids in the playground might point there finger at you for doing this.
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Post by midway on Aug 14, 2015 10:53:26 GMT 12
Maybe i need to get a proper Horn  Ive always wondered why the gas ran out of Co2 ,or was it H20 or something similar ,but always had a fire blanket ,just in case if anything got a little to Hot .. |
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Post by penman on Aug 14, 2015 14:59:59 GMT 12
Must be a competition going somewhere within SNZ or an extended April Fools!
It's an epidemic!
How many new rules can we implement, how much confusion in a season, and how many competitors can we weed out!
Every thread's a soapbox eh Grandad? |
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Post by midway on Aug 14, 2015 18:47:08 GMT 12
Must be a competition going somewhere within SNZ or an extended April Fools!
It's an epidemic!
How many new rules can we implement, how much confusion in a season, and how many competitors can we weed out!
Every thread's a soapbox eh Grandad? Grand dad should be congratulated ,he has been able to use those spare hub pins ,to hang up,SNZ newsletters on the wall in his mans cave instead of glossy pictures of \Supersaloons and other memorabilia ..His adoption to change may come to late ,in his illustrious career to able to pursue the ultimate challenge ,retirement however looks to be quiet on the cards ,with a little noise in the background ...  |
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Post by beachboy on Aug 14, 2015 20:14:37 GMT 12
That has to be the craziest piece of logic I've ever seen.
I agree with you c flame crusher. Try telling the tanker driver in western Australia that he is less likely to get burnt with methanol.1st degree burns to 90% of his body. Static electricity out of his clothes or hair set it off. I worked transport this stuff here in Christchurch back in the days of ICI (NZ Ltd). 33,000 lts at a time. No way in this world is this stuff safer than petrol or Ethanol. So what happend at ICI that made it so unsafe? Also where does Western Australia and 33,000 ltrs of the stuff fit into a pit area at a speedway track in NZ? |
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Post by The Godfather on Aug 14, 2015 22:51:24 GMT 12
That has to be the craziest piece of logic I've ever seen.
Where are your references to support your assertion that my logic is crazy? From: www.methanolfuels.org/about-methanol/safety/The greatest danger from the use of gasoline as a vehicle fuel is from fires. Gasoline fires in vehicles result in hundreds of deaths and millions of dollars in property damage each year. Methanol does not evaporate or form vapors as readily as gasoline does, and methanol vapors must be four times more concentrated in air than gasoline to ignite. I didn't claim it was safe only that it is safer than petrol, and raised the possibility that the risks involved with petrol plus fire extinguisher was still greater than methanol without one.Ok that's fine, if its in a book then that's what you should take your lead from, I'll settle for my actual experiences with dealing with the stuff. One thing I do know, if I had the choice of taking a risk with petrol ( with an extinguisher) or the same risk with methanol ( without an extinguisher) I'm dam sure which one I will take
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Post by mod46c on Aug 19, 2015 7:43:54 GMT 12
Where are your references to support your assertion that my logic is crazy? From: www.methanolfuels.org/about-methanol/safety/The greatest danger from the use of gasoline as a vehicle fuel is from fires. Gasoline fires in vehicles result in hundreds of deaths and millions of dollars in property damage each year. Methanol does not evaporate or form vapors as readily as gasoline does, and methanol vapors must be four times more concentrated in air than gasoline to ignite. I didn't claim it was safe only that it is safer than petrol, and raised the possibility that the risks involved with petrol plus fire extinguisher was still greater than methanol without one.Ok that's fine, if its in a book then that's what you should take your lead from, I'll settle for my actual experiences with dealing with the stuff. One thing I do know, if I had the choice of taking a risk with petrol ( with an extinguisher) or the same risk with methanol ( without an extinguisher) I'm dam sure which one I will take
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Ive always wondered why the gas ran out of Co2 ,or was it H20 or something similar ,but always had a fire blanket ,just in case if anything got a little to Hot ..
