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Post by Jamo on Nov 17, 2015 7:52:20 GMT 12
I personally cant see 8 mods fronting on a normal night any time soon. This week will be ok as it is the Taranaki Champs and out of towners will turn up Last i heard no out of town cars available for this weekend. Steve rang me last week and asked for Auckland support but I was honest and told him I thought it would be to short notice for most guys. I asked about on Saturday night at Waikaraka and unfortunately guys already have plans for this weekend. Some have Xmas do's and others are heading off to Fleetwood Mac concert. I have also been told Wgtn mods unavailable as well. Would not be surprised to see Taranaki Champs postponed. Auckland cars are hopeful of trekking down in March for Rusty memorial meeting, at least reasonable notice has been given on this one  |
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Post by Jamo on Nov 17, 2015 7:59:34 GMT 12
The modified class need to start allowing quad cam jappa motors in,cheap,can get reasonable hp for not a lot of dollars.I believe the class has suffered due to engine rules and that sprintcar engines are not much more to build,hence why the class has a lot of ex mod drivers now.I for one would get one tomorrow if the jappa v8 was allowed Hi Dalboy, Interested in hearing where you are getting cheap Japanese v8s that are going to spit out 550hp? I guess running that you may be under powered by 100hp but as they say, you still need to get it too the track. I think the super stock boys might be getting to 500 hp with Nissan and toyotas but they will be spending above 45 k? Probably more like 65k? Is this more reasonable pricing compared to big mod engines? Just trying to understand how your argument stacks up in the real world. I see Wellington had a good field of mods this weekend with visitors from the South Island getting laps in for the Nz title. Junk that could be a very exciting event on that turf Top end mod engines generate between 650 -700HP. some a little more. Top of the line engine will cost you between $40-$50k. Compare this to other SNZ classes and it is reasonable IMHO. Top of the line mod engines would be on par with top of the line Sprintcar engines and likely cheaper that top of the line super saloon engines and superstock engines (some of these guys like spending money!). If some of the numbers are correct about what guys spend on saloon and stockcar engines are true then I am not sure what all the drama is about prices for mods engines to be honest! |
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Post by epmurc on Nov 17, 2015 12:29:58 GMT 12
Frankly it doesn't matter what the engine rules are, regardless of the configuration there'll always some who have a seemingly limitless budget to spend on it.
As as example, a good Ministock engine that will be reasonably fast and reliable will set you back about $3000, yet there's some out there spending over $10 000.
Likewise with Mods, you can spend what you can and go out and have just as much fun as the next guy. In some cases more than the "big dollar merchants" because you structure your goals to your budget. Conversely you can start spending telephone numbers and run with the big dogs up front. If you race within the limitations of your talent and budget and don't start acting like a dipstick, we're more than happy to have you out there.
The one rule I'd take into consideration is the weight advantage you may get from going to a different engine configuration. Unfortunately the rule book some of the drivers have has the page about it being a non-contact class missing. If the push and shove starts, I'd be much more comfortable sitting in a 900kg V8 than a 650kg 4 or 6 cylinder, regardless of how fast you are able to go.
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Post by hbhornets on Nov 17, 2015 13:17:27 GMT 12
some superstocks run a 60k engine. so if your saying top of the line 40-50k. puts it cheaper than a superstock.
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Post by Jamo on Nov 17, 2015 13:54:13 GMT 12
Frankly it doesn't matter what the engine rules are, regardless of the configuration there'll always some who have a seemingly limitless budget to spend on it. As as example, a good Ministock engine that will be reasonably fast and reliable will set you back about $3000, yet there's some out there spending over $10 000. Likewise with Mods, you can spend what you can and go out and have just as much fun as the next guy. In some cases more than the "big dollar merchants" because you structure your goals to your budget. Conversely you can start spending telephone numbers and run with the big dogs up front. If you race within the limitations of your talent and budget and don't start acting like a dipstick, we're more than happy to have you out there. The one rule I'd take into consideration is the weight advantage you may get from going to a different engine configuration. Unfortunately the rule book some of the drivers have has the page about it being a non-contact class missing. If the push and shove starts, I'd be much more comfortable sitting in a 900kg V8 than a 650kg 4 or 6 cylinder, regardless of how fast you are able to go. 100% bang on Crumpy. No matter the rules there will always be guys willing to spend more than others. Now don't get me wrong, we have a strong package but this hasn't always been the case. There have always been guys out there who spent more than us over the years and there are some still out there that still do,there always will be. Big $$ engines will only get you so far, you still need to be able to drive!! The guts of our engine is now well over 5 years old and sure we look after it with preventative maintenance but the fact that rules haven't changed much in that time means we are still running near the front of the field and having fun without huge cash outlays every year. Latest engines may be slightly stronger due to new technology but what we lack in HP we make up for with driver ability and experience. My recommendation if you want to run mods is to do exactly what Crumpy suggests, buy a package you can afford without blowing your entire budget on the initial purchase. Factor in running costs when buying it with the intention to run at every meeting available to get your laps up. Experience is critical and doing lap after lap, meeting after meeting is how you learn. As you improve you can start updating your gear and before you know it you have a very competitive package and importantly the skills you need to get the most from it. Too many guys spend all their money up front and then need to park up during the season because the budget is smoked! Achieves nothing doing it this way. Do the hard yards instead of wanting everything now now now! |
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Post by Yard on Nov 29, 2015 10:00:35 GMT 12
Mike Gourley ex 4c now 6c had his Mod out last night at Woodford Glen.
The Porsche (turbo powered) engine had some small gremlins that when sorted this car will be extremely handy.
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Post by NZ Sauber on Nov 29, 2015 11:47:19 GMT 12
Mike Gourley ex 4c now 6c had his Mod out last night at Woodford Glen. The Porsche (turbo powered) engine had some small gremlins that when sorted this car will be extremely handy. Thanks for the update Yards, it is exciting to have a new engine thrown into the mix. I'm completely jealous at the quality of the Modified fields you guys are getting week in week out down that way. I notice there are still a handful from last season not back on track. Any idea if 15C, 51C, 67C, 81C, and 99C will be out at any point this season? |
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Post by youngone on Nov 29, 2015 11:52:29 GMT 12
Mike Gourley ex 4c now 6c had his Mod out last night at Woodford Glen. The Porsche (turbo powered) engine had some small gremlins that when sorted this car will be extremely handy. Interesting, any more details on the Porsche engine? |
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Post by Yard on Nov 29, 2015 13:00:31 GMT 12
Mike Gourley ex 4c now 6c had his Mod out last night at Woodford Glen. The Porsche (turbo powered) engine had some small gremlins that when sorted this car will be extremely handy. Thanks for the update Yards, it is exciting to have a new engine thrown into the mix. I'm completely jealous at the quality of the Modified fields you guys are getting week in week out down that way. I notice there are still a handful from last season not back on track. Any idea if 15C, 51C, 67C, 81C, and 99C will be out at any point this season? 51c maybe Boxing Day 99c up for sale as a roller |
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Post by mod46c on Nov 30, 2015 6:31:40 GMT 12
Mike Gourley ex 4c now 6c had his Mod out last night at Woodford Glen. The Porsche (turbo powered) engine had some small gremlins that when sorted this car will be extremely handy. Interesting, any more details on the Porsche engine? 2 valve 968 Thanks for the update Yards, it is exciting to have a new engine thrown into the mix. I'm completely jealous at the quality of the Modified fields you guys are getting week in week out down that way. I notice there are still a handful from last season not back on track. Any idea if 15C, 51C, 67C, 81C, and 99C will be out at any point this season? 51c maybe Boxing Day 99c up for sale as a roller Todd (15c) boxing day, Paul (81c) sitting out the season, Nigel (67c) waiting for motor anyway that the latest I've heard. |
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Post by stockfan on Nov 30, 2015 10:46:25 GMT 12
My view. The only future for modified's at the moment is to join together to create a travelling series. Having a small handful of modified's at a small handful of tracks around the north island makes for pretty boring racing for both competitors and spectators - and makes it very difficult for promoters to even schedule them on the calendar......as how do you know how many will even show up?
A good watch when there is a good field but a very poor watch in the majority of circumstances when there isn't.
Question is....Will someone do this to save the class, or continue to 'hope' for it's revival without change?
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Post by epmurc on Nov 30, 2015 15:08:13 GMT 12
The Mods used to have a travelling series a few years back, put together by Paul Blakely when he had Pacific Urethanes and got his mate at Leisurite Spa's on board. There was a certain amount of funding from these guys but still a lot of it came out of the pockets of the drivers/car owners - I'm sure Jamo can be more specific.
It lasted a couple of years but suffered from the fact that a lot of the Mod guys don't appear to be as financially "strong" as the Super Saloon teams so travelling every couple of weeks was a big ask. Having a major sponsor like Burger King would be a good help and a high profile competitor like Steve Williams could come in handy as well; unfortunately things like that aren't just lying around waiting to be scooped up.
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Post by Jamo on Nov 30, 2015 15:45:08 GMT 12
The Mods used to have a travelling series a few years back, put together by Paul Blakely when he had Pacific Urethanes and got his mate at Leisurite Spa's on board. There was a certain amount of funding from these guys but still a lot of it came out of the pockets of the drivers/car owners - I'm sure Jamo can be more specific. It lasted a couple of years but suffered from the fact that a lot of the Mod guys don't appear to be as financially "strong" as the Super Saloon teams so travelling every couple of weeks was a big ask. Having a major sponsor like Burger King would be a good help and a high profile competitor like Steve Williams could come in handy as well; unfortunately things like that aren't just lying around waiting to be scooped up. Right again Mr Crumpe. Paul and I put a series together a few years back with the help of Sonja at Rotorua. Individual nights around the North Island doubled up as the regional title in year one if I remember correct. We ran at Waikaraka, Huntly, Rotorua, Stratty and Wellington. Couple of things didn't work. Cost for travel etc prohibited many guys fully buying into it and drivers couldn't be convinced to support later rounds once they didn't have a chance of taking out the title. Only ran for 2 years and Foxy won both. I think one year he won every round and the other year he won all but 1 round! A series is a great idea if it can be structured in a way that results in all guys hanging tough and actually supporting all the rounds even if they can't win and importantly having a series sponsor with deep enough pockets to pay decent travel money on every round. End of the day any series is only as good as the drivers allow it to be and the guys would need to buy in. First issue could be sorted by making the round at every track their regional title for the season so at least if you are not in the running for the series you can still be racing for something on the night. In effect you are running for two different events every night. Still need every track to stump up with good standalone travel and prizemoney each night and an overall sponsor to be found for the series that tops up travel money every round as well as pays out prizemoney on overall series result. At a guess I would think tracks would need to stump up with a minimum of $5k every night to make it happen and most are not willing to come to the party with that sort of money. Sounds a lot but when you spread it around 16-20 cars it doesn't go far! |
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Post by gravelspreader on Nov 30, 2015 23:00:13 GMT 12
That 6c Raceworks of Mike Gourley is a brandnew chassis and his 4c Raceworks is due back out soon and can someone tell me if you are alowd hydraulick adjustable wings on modifieds like they run on sprintcars or not cause anyone that goes to woodford glen have a close look a certain black Raceworks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 5:35:27 GMT 12
That 6c Raceworks of Mike Gourley is a brandnew chassis and his 4c Raceworks is due back out soon and can someone tell me if you are alowd hydraulick adjustable wings on modifieds like they run on sprintcars or not cause anyone that goes to woodford glen have a close look a certain black Raceworks you can as long as the wing cannot be adjusted by the driver during the race |
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Post by mod46c on Dec 1, 2015 6:05:41 GMT 12
That 6c Raceworks of Mike Gourley is a brandnew chassis and his 4c Raceworks is due back out soon and can someone tell me if you are alowd hydraulick adjustable wings on modifieds like they run on sprintcars or not cause anyone that goes to woodford glen have a close look a certain black Raceworks In a word yes you can. From the rule book: T11-3-9(c) The wing and or suspension (including shocks) must not be able to be adjusted, either by placing out of reach or by a mechanical locking mechanism, by the driver while seated in the race car. |
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Post by quin10 on Dec 1, 2015 13:08:28 GMT 12
Interesting, any more details on the Porsche engine? 2 valve 968 51c maybe Boxing Day 99c up for sale as a roller Todd (15c) boxing day, Paul (81c) sitting out the season, Nigel (67c) waiting for motor anyway that the latest I've heard. Any footage of the Porsche powered mod. |
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Post by spdwayorthehway on Dec 1, 2015 18:33:55 GMT 12
Looked like 6c was just cruising around the track.
Looking at the race results his best time in each race was up there with the other best times.
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Dec 1, 2015 20:19:43 GMT 12
So what Modifieds are going to Kihikihi Jamo. Good halfway point between Stratford and Auckland |
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Post by The Observer on Dec 1, 2015 20:36:08 GMT 12
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