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Post by knownotmuch on Jan 31, 2016 22:54:45 GMT 12
In looking at the BMI difference between some of the sixth drivers and those drivers of the cars they may have hop into, I wonder if the sixth drivers should have their own cars? Or even better have six person teams with two reserves at the Superstocks just as they did at the Stockcar teams at Rotorua. Surely an ill fitting car must put sixth drivers at greater risk of injury?
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Post by salooncar on Jan 31, 2016 23:12:57 GMT 12
I would tend to agree with you. I had a recent session at Hampton Downs in a borrowed car (no hitting involved) with a seat that was too wide for me, and just the forces involved in cornering left me with very sore bruised ribs after a couple of dozen laps. The idea of racing any form of contact sport in a similarly ill-fitting seat makes me cringe.
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Post by percy on Jan 31, 2016 23:39:02 GMT 12
I'm an advocate for getting rid of the 6th driver that we have in Superstock teams racing.
With custom seats playing such an important role in keeping our drivers safe, 6th drivers are a major accident waiting to happen. We should be pro-active on this issue. With Bruce running the only shows that require Superstock teams to have 6th drivers we could eliminate 6th drivers overnight.
A Superstock team should consist of 5 drivers and 5 Superstocks.
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Post by woodart on Feb 1, 2016 7:58:15 GMT 12
good topic. I have long thought that different drivers sharing the same car is dangerous, adults and kids driving the same ministock seems like a bad idea unless they are the same size, but with stockcars ,an even worse idea.
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Post by hbspeedwaychaser on Feb 1, 2016 8:09:36 GMT 12
Yeap would it not be better to allow the sixth driver to use there own car as a saftey issue rather than work safe or someone higher asking why this was not done thought it would be simple common sense in this time of age
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Post by regulus on Feb 1, 2016 8:36:55 GMT 12
I believe that the sixth driver driver as part of scrutineering should be checked sitting in all five cars, belted in, to at least ensure a safe seat fitting(shoulder belts through seat at right heights,head rest and supports in right places and head clearance with roof plate). If 6th driver is not compatible to all cars then a 7th driver should be allowed.
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Post by graemeh on Feb 1, 2016 10:20:55 GMT 12
The 6th driver option was introduced to hopefully prevent a driver who may be unwell (undiagnosed concussion) from continuing to race. Any team management should pick a person as 6th driver who can safely fit as many cars as possible, unlikely that every situation can be covered. If you go to the as suggested 7th driver option why not go to 12. Associated costs and difficulty for some teams in finding 5 cars rules out increasing numbers to six, also how to decide when a 6th car is allowed to be used creates more issues, and gives strong teams more advantage.
Yes it is dangerous, driving a car you are not fitted to, so how about a little more personal responsibility be used.
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Post by graemeh on Feb 1, 2016 10:30:08 GMT 12
I believe that the sixth driver driver as part of scrutineering should be checked sitting in all five cars, belted in, to at least ensure a safe seat fitting(shoulder belts through seat at right heights,head rest and supports in right places and head clearance with roof plate). If 6th driver is not compatible to all cars then a 7th driver should be allowed. I agree that the 6th driver should be checked only allowed in cars deemed suitable. I don't attend a lot of meetings these days but at the Super stock champs recently I don't recall seeing any drivers behind checked at scrutineering for their seated position, head height etc. Used to be a time there were belt checkers on the dummy grid and haven't seen this anymore either. Stand to be corrected though.
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Post by Tapped on Feb 1, 2016 13:12:00 GMT 12
Why not get a booster seat/insert like Supercars/enduro etc use - or is the cost to prohibitive?
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Post by tony27 on Feb 1, 2016 13:39:42 GMT 12
How often do the sixth drivers actually get used, wouldn't be every year
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Post by maninstand on Feb 1, 2016 14:12:51 GMT 12
Alec Wilson last year was used drive Simon Joblin car.
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Post by knownotmuch on Feb 1, 2016 15:18:33 GMT 12
At least Alec and Simon are similar size. There have been times when the sixth driver is a foot taller than some team members, or dare I say it, a foot narrower.
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Post by my2cents on Feb 1, 2016 17:50:30 GMT 12
Some teams shuffle drivers around cars when 6th driver is used. Some teams take 6th drivers seat with them and just bolt them in. I'm sure all teams have thought about who fits who's car and a bit of thought about who is the best fit (within the team)
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Post by stu24p on Feb 1, 2016 17:57:58 GMT 12
I believe that the sixth driver driver as part of scrutineering should be checked sitting in all five cars, belted in, to at least ensure a safe seat fitting(shoulder belts through seat at right heights,head rest and supports in right places and head clearance with roof plate). If 6th driver is not compatible to all cars then a 7th driver should be allowed. I agree that the 6th driver should be checked only allowed in cars deemed suitable. I don't attend a lot of meetings these days but at the Super stock champs recently I don't recall seeing any drivers behind checked at scrutineering for their seated position, head height etc. Used to be a time there were belt checkers on the dummy grid and haven't seen this anymore either. Stand to be corrected though. I happened to be in the scrutineering shed at Stratford when a driver was asked about head clearance due to the design of the roll cage. Turned out it was ok.
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Post by horse38 on Feb 1, 2016 18:17:53 GMT 12
When picking a 6th driver all of this has to be taken into account and obviously you need to pick a driver that is comfortable in all the cars. All ocasions I've been involved with where a 6th driver has been used a official has come and checked the driver once in the car. A spare driver is definately a good thing otherwise we'd be in a position where we'd be sending injured drivers out on the track which is something we don't want to be doing. Horse.
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Post by midway on Feb 2, 2016 7:21:01 GMT 12
You can always change the jockey ,the saddle ,but not the horse , :)realistically the same rule and driver applies and like said above in this day of age ,Teams management will no doubt thought it out .common sense prevails ..
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 2, 2016 7:41:42 GMT 12
Who are the 6th drivers for Panthers, Mustangs McCabe & Chad Ace?
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