NZ Superstocks W/P Speedway 13/14 Jan 2018 format and info (Read 33,225 times)

[hbhornets]

Jan 11, 2018 8:22:42 GMT 12 go29 said:

Random question but i am just curious... How are the groups sorted for an event like this?

I see there is an even (as possible) number of cars from each track represented in each group (eg the 4 C cars are split up so one in each group and the 4 V cars are also split) and the likes of the Joblins, Red Waka Cars, Dykstras etc are all split into different groups.
Is it the promotion / clubs job to put the groups together and try and make them as even as possible?

yea. So they take all the p's list them in numbers and go 1 to four. Until every p has number then start at r and do the same until every track has been done and you get four even groups byet track. Might not be exact way they do it. but it isn't to far from the truth. I think this system favours the track with the most cars. Which is reflected in the make up of finals fields.randomise the whole thing. And less p qualifie.

[go29]

Jan 11, 2018 10:26:44 GMT 12 hbhornets said:

Jan 11, 2018 8:22:42 GMT 12 go29 said:

Random question but i am just curious... How are the groups sorted for an event like this?

I see there is an even (as possible) number of cars from each track represented in each group (eg the 4 C cars are split up so one in each group and the 4 V cars are also split) and the likes of the Joblins, Red Waka Cars, Dykstras etc are all split into different groups.
Is it the promotion / clubs job to put the groups together and try and make them as even as possible?

yea. So they take all the p's list them in numbers and go 1 to four. Until every p has number then start at r and do the same until every track has been done and you get four even groups byet track. Might not be exact way they do it. but it isn't to far from the truth. I think this system favours the track with the most cars. Which is reflected in the make up of finals fields.randomise the whole thing. And less p qualifie.

I know they probably dont do this - but it kind of seems like by picking who races who in each group, the people doing it have some control over who will likely qualify. I guess the only issue if it was a completly random 'draw' would be you could end up with a group with 15 P cars or R cars in or you could end up with a group with 12 of the top cars in the country where only 6 go through and a group which only has 2 top cars and 24 'backmarkers' (sorry that probably isnt the best word to use!). Just something i randomly thought about hah

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A couple of months ago Percy did a story on the 10 dumbest rules in the speedway nz rulebook. One such rule that was only removed a few years ago said no seeding in snz champ meetings. It was always ignored & a rule best gone.
Generally you take the entrants from each track, rank them then put into the groups. If you have 12 tracks and 6 groups (for ease of explanation) you take your 1, 2 & 3nz and put them in separate groups then from there you would put the top ranked from each track minus the 1,2 & 3 and scatter them thru all groups, changing the order each time so you don't end up with one or two groups stacked with the same tracks. Then you list them by racing #. Normally 3 or 4 trusted & knowledgeable ppl give it the once over for errors before they are released.
Them you have other things to consider, like you will always have groups of cars wanting to park together in the pits, but who can't be in the same group. For example 2 brothers if they end up in same group would be separated but still need to go in groups parked next to each other in the pits. So if you have two Rees's, Dare & Hemi, Gaskin & Robertson in an event with 4 groups in the pits you might park blue, then red, then yellow, then black groups in that order so blue might have Hemi, red Dare & Rees, yellow Rees & Gaskin & black Robertson. So there is a lot more to think about than just the racing side of putting groups together.

As for criticism that you could have one person picking the likely qualifiers, when u have 20+ cars per group is almost impossible to give anyone an easy ride thru. And it would stick out like dogs b@lls if you tried. TBH you are not even looking at names and #'s when scattering the cards thru the groups.

The other thing is if yr program has colour coded pages for the colours of the groups... Then DON'T have a white group if you use white paper!! Thankfully most tracks have enough institutional knowledge stay with them from championship meet to championship meet to not make rookie mistakes

[Go Slideways]

Looks pretty even to me, I hope heaps of P cars qualifie, whoops - I meant qualify, best of luck to all competitors wherever they come from.

[go29]

Jan 11, 2018 12:36:38 GMT 12 Ramjam said:

A couple of months ago Percy did a story on the 10 dumbest rules in the speedway nz rulebook. One such rule that was only removed a few years ago said no seeding in snz champ meetings. It was always ignored & a rule best gone.
Generally you take the entrants from each track, rank them then put into the groups. If you have 12 tracks and 6 groups (for ease of explanation) you take your 1, 2 

Great explanation - thanks

[tony27]

The way it always appears to me is 1,2,3nz all head groups the lowest track letter is next ie. 4 groups headed by 1nz, 2nz,3nz & 4a if entered then numbers continue on in the same way, multiple cars with same number are added in order of track code which is why you hardly ever see multiple car teams together

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Jan 11, 2018 16:24:27 GMT 12 tony27 said:

The way it always appears to me is 1,2,3nz all head groups the lowest track letter is next ie. 4 groups headed by 1nz, 2nz,3nz & 4a if entered then numbers continue on in the same way, multiple cars with same number are added in order of track code which is why you hardly ever see multiple car teams together

Yeah, once the groups are made up they get listed in numerical/alphabetical order so you can a; easy to see who's in what group & b; so the rankings (which after all are only the opinion of the ppl doing the groups) ain't revealed. I doubt very much any major championship have had their groups made up solely by racing #/track code.

[roxcyford]

my dad once told me a number of years ago 1nz got automatic qualification to finals the following season crickey imagine the whinging if that happened today

[speedwaynut]

Jan 11, 2018 19:59:45 GMT 12 roxcyford said:

my dad once told me a number of years ago 1nz got automatic qualification to finals the following season crickey imagine the whinging if that happened today

I believe a remit to that effect was taken to the SNZ conference last year, but was not passed by the delegates.

[Deleted]

I think maybe Dave Evans was the last one to use that, he won at chch then seeded straight into the finals at Rotorua where he me the first back to back champ. In sure someone will put me right if I'm not.

[BarryB]

Jan 11, 2018 21:12:03 GMT 12 Ramjam said:

I think maybe Dave Evans was the last one to use that, he won at chch then seeded straight into the finals at Rotorua where he me the first back to back champ. In sure someone will put me right if I'm not.

Was changed very shortly after that.

Barry B

[hienekenno1]

Yep,they got scared and didn't want Dave Evans winning it 10 years in a row lol.

[roxcyford]

so they were smashing the (p) way back then wow

[BarryB]

Jan 11, 2018 21:19:46 GMT 12 roxcyford said:

so they were smashing the (p) way back then wow

Since forever

Barry B

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Jan 11, 2018 21:19:46 GMT 12 roxcyford said:

so they were smashing the (p) way back then wow

I'm sure your old man both smashed and got smashed by the P when I was just a lad (and BarryB was contemplating life on the pension). Some great memories of the S v P from back in the day

[haydenmlambarth]

Don't forget you can tune into the commentary at the track on 107.5fm

[kevin888]

weather still ok for next 2 days in Auckland?

[Homer]

Of course it will be ok.

[theothermikeyb]

Which stream or both? What do people reccommend?

[kevin888]

i have gone for 2 for livestream