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Post by tonyr on Apr 8, 2018 16:39:01 GMT 12
Baypark is testament to the fact a good open wheel track doesn’t suit contact classes. Palmerston North vice Vera’s a good stock car track that doesn’t suit open wheelers. That RFA idiot doesn’t understand that speedway classes are wildly varying. He just thinks Speedway is Speedway. Sure the the Auckland Stock Car Club would come to the table as Waikaraka Park is such a dump anything would be better for them. Not so for the Springs.
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Post by jimmyj on Apr 8, 2018 17:04:19 GMT 12
That guy on crc already has his lights out so not much hope for the springs if that waynekerr has any thing to do with it .
IDIOT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 18:07:10 GMT 12
interesting that Nisbett from the RFA mentioned they are looking at Eagle Speedway in Nebraska as a model. That is a 1/3 mile high bank dirt track. Nice track I have seen USAC Sprintcars and Late Models there. Love the high banking.. |
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Post by magilla on Apr 9, 2018 15:11:10 GMT 12
I know they will not build a 1/3 mile track as would be no good for the dogems Tracks in America are measured 20ft (6m) in from the wall, NZ are measured 1m out from the pole line. Bay Park is a solid 1/3 mile track in American measurement terms. What they are talking about may not be as big as what we would think it to be, but it sounds as though it would be a step up for the open wheelers at least. Western Springs 6m from the wall and 1m from the pole line isn't that big a difference lol |
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Post by magilla on Apr 9, 2018 15:15:20 GMT 12
I know they will not build a 1/3 mile track as would be no good for the dogems Tracks in America are measured 20ft (6m) in from the wall, NZ are measured 1m out from the pole line. Bay Park is a solid 1/3 mile track in American measurement terms. What they are talking about may not be as big as what we would think it to be, but it sounds as though it would be a step up for the open wheelers at least. I did think that the 1/3 mile tracks I went to in USA didn't look as big as Meremere and didn't look much bigger than some of our 1/4 mile tracks. Thought the 1/2 mile tracks were huge |
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Post by percy on Apr 9, 2018 22:37:00 GMT 12
I was very disappointed with the Summerfield interview on CRC Motorsport.
Summerfield failed to ask any meaningful questions and failed to show any knowledge of the situation. The only interesting aspect we learned over six dreary minutes was that the new Waikaraka track is being modeled on Eagle Raceway. The RFA bloke being interviewed offered nothing except carefully rehearsed management speak. It was as if he was performing his seventh rehearsal in front of the mirror.
Perhaps it was a condition of coming on the show that tough question weren't asked. If so the RFA bloke should have been told to stuff off.
Should have been questioned about the economics of the new stadium vs Western Springs
Should have been questioned about the value of heritage in a modern Auckland
Should have been questioned about planned high density planned for Onehunga and how that will impact the long-term viability of the stadium
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Post by midway on Apr 10, 2018 0:17:57 GMT 12
Should of been asked why Springs promotion had interest in the first place about Waikaraka ,then left the negotiating table ..??
That alone was interesting ,and wish now to preserve the right to stay at the Springs ..
Waikaraka park has been a embarrassment of neglect to the council for some time ,the grandstand is like the one at Carlaw park but left to long ,and of course it has Historical issues ..
I think it will become a question of local body politics ,the voters of 102,ooo that passed through the gates all voted against labour it could sway heavily on the present mayoral candidate Mr Goff and his party alliance ..
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Post by kwikchange on Apr 10, 2018 2:07:08 GMT 12
Nesbitt in his interview stated quite clear that Western Springs has known about this since 2012 and it was at the request of Springs Promotion Limited that Waikaraka Park was/is to be an option.
Nesbitt also stated that it was Springs Promotion that has currently left the discussion table regarding options and the Future of Speedway in Auckland.
Lets be clear here that these discussions are about the Future proofing of Speedway in Auckland and these discussions are not just about Western Springs but the future of the ASSCC and its classes as well.
Another point is that Unitec Has just done a deal with the Government to sell off its surplus land to Taxinda for the purpose of 4000 new homes.
This land is just up the road from the Springs. Now I've worked at Unitec on many a Summers Saturday night and some nights you can clearly hear the springs. I think Jacinda has just put another 4000 nails in the Coffin of Western Springs.
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Post by spdwayorthehway on Apr 10, 2018 11:42:05 GMT 12
The interview with Nisbett seemed to be a whole lot of nothing Except he seemed to take great delight in mentioning 500k has been spent on this so far and that, final answer, yes Springs Speedway is going to Waikaraka park.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Apr 10, 2018 12:02:46 GMT 12
In the end seeing is believing,when I see the bulldozers moving into Waikaraka I will know something is happening,this is the council we are talking about.
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Post by speedwaynut on Apr 10, 2018 12:17:18 GMT 12
It's all very well for the RFA clown to say that Western Springs won't be there in 2 years time,
BUT
If the bulldozers arrive at Waikaraka Park, it will take much longer than a 6 month off season to reconfigure the place to what the council say they are going to build there.
Within that time (possibly many years), where is the present Auckland stock car club going to run out of?
And during that time (possibly many years), if you don't allow Western Springs to run after March 2019, then where will they and the stockcars run in Auckland?
Will there actually be a track that is able to be used, while all this supposed reconfiguring is happening?
And how many millions of ratepayers $$s will be spent on this?
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Post by Rota on Apr 10, 2018 12:34:21 GMT 12
They will probably just expect all the teams to travel out of Auckland. So others classes who race out of those tracks might suffer to make way for some Auckland classes & Auckland drives might not want to race at those tracks but mill have to get seat time etc.
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Post by percy on Apr 10, 2018 12:41:14 GMT 12
Nesbitt in his interview stated quite clear that Western Springs has known about this since 2012 and it was at the request of Springs Promotion Limited that Waikaraka Park was/is to be an option. It was disingenuous of Nesbitt to state the Springs chose to pursue the Waikaraka option. My understanding is it was either a new facility at Colin Dale Park (which is complicated by it's proximity to Auckland Airport) or a joint facility at Waikaraka Park. Can you imagine what building a new track at Colin Dale + replacing the existing Waikaraka grandstand would have cost? In practical terms SPL was only given one choice. |
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Post by hienekenno1 on Apr 10, 2018 13:06:04 GMT 12
Im prepared to sacrifice a season or two with no racing at Waikaraka if it means a top facility will be built,there is stockcars at Huntly and if Baypark keep up there good track prep work,i can just shoot over there.Been following the sport for over 45 years so not to stressed by it all plus it will be good for the other tracks with all the extra Auckland cars.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:41:30 GMT 12
Nesbitt in his interview stated quite clear that Western Springs has known about this since 2012 and it was at the request of Springs Promotion Limited that Waikaraka Park was/is to be an option. It was disingenuous of Nesbitt to state the Springs chose to pursue the Waikaraka option. My understanding is it was either a new facility at Colin Dale Park (which is complicated by it's proximity to Auckland Airport) or a joint facility at Waikaraka Park. Can you imagine what building a new track at Colin Dale + replacing the existing Waikaraka grandstand would have cost? In practical terms SPL was only given one choice. At a Western Springs Friday night prize giving Mosen said... "At this stage we are still negotiating with the RFA and I can tell you that we have made it very clear that we want to stay at Western Springs. This is our preferred option. We have also made it very clear that we will not be moving to Colin Dale despite what they may think! With the Warriors now being given a 10 year contract to stay at Mt Smart, we are working on the same deal for Western Springs." PS. He also praised and thanked Bill openly but I do wonder whether the thought of losing his probable $100,000+ salary with bonuses and a company car was in the back of his mind as well LOL. |
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Post by midway on Apr 10, 2018 13:51:44 GMT 12
Nesbit is a typical council planner every day they walk the streets ,return to the office and play with ratepayers money ,very little bears fruit ,every council has these types ,i used to call,them dropouts from varsity ,with no home togo too ..
How could you go to a place like Waikaraka Park ,and build a new sports complex with so many restrictions in place ,as it is there isnt much room be hind the existing track to the cemetery wall ,then in the front as you enter the pits the same applies .
Looking through the RFA and Nesbit using Waikaraka Park is a escape for there future planning of the sport ,they have to do something in regards to Waikaraka ,but his vision and comments dont cut the ice simply the place and the surroundings pose to many short cuts for a track like Eagle raceway ..
There is a old saying ,He wears a chip on his shoulder ,and it sums up pretty well in this case ..
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Post by hienekenno1 on Apr 10, 2018 14:47:03 GMT 12
It was disingenuous of Nesbitt to state the Springs chose to pursue the Waikaraka option. My understanding is it was either a new facility at Colin Dale Park (which is complicated by it's proximity to Auckland Airport) or a joint facility at Waikaraka Park. Can you imagine what building a new track at Colin Dale + replacing the existing Waikaraka grandstand would have cost? In practical terms SPL was only given one choice. At Western Springs Friday night prize giving Mosen said... "At this stage we are still negotiating with the RFA and I can tell you that we have made it very clear that we want to stay at Western Springs. This is our preferred option. We have also made it very clear that we will not be moving to Colin Dale despite what they may think! With the Warriors now being given a 10 year contract to stay at Mt Smart, we are working on the same deal for Western Springs." PS. He also praised and thanked Bill openly but I do wonder whether the thought of losing his probable $100,000+ salary with bonuses and a company car was in the back of his mind as well LOL. I reckon it would be the main reason mr Mosen pulled out of negotiations,he wouldnt want to share any money made. |
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Post by Jamo on Apr 10, 2018 15:48:59 GMT 12
Nothing will change.
Speedway at Springs will be given another 2 year extension "while more options are considered". No council money will be spent on fixing up issues at Waikaraka and the can will be kicked down the road a little bit more.
Council has bigger fish to fry around Americas Cup infrastructure, light rail to spend a fortune on and other high ticket items. This issue will be put in the to hard basket and left to others later on.
Been this way for years and can't see it changing anytime soon.
Next topic please!! 10 pages of crap and speculation so far. Boring!
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Post by hmac on Apr 10, 2018 15:49:13 GMT 12
I think that whole "interview" on Sunday, was one of those " here's the list of questions you will ask me" kind of deals, with answers already researched and rehearsed. Happens often in political interviews. And as Percy said earlier, not one single question as regards costs, and who is expected to bare those costs, let alone the time it would take with consents etc. The eagle raceway comment i reckon was just bollicks, meant to appease those... and I'm among them...who would love to see a banked large 1/4 miler.
Bit of a tui's ad of an interview for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 16:16:23 GMT 12
Nothing will change. Speedway at Springs will be given another 2 year extension "while more options are considered". No council money will be spent on fixing up issues at Waikaraka and the can will be kicked down the road a little bit more. Council has bigger fish to fry around Americas Cup infrastructure, light rail to spend a fortune on and other high ticket items. This issue will be put in the to hard basket and left to others later on. Been this way for years and can't see it changing anytime soon. Next topic please!! 10 pages of crap and speculation so far. Boring! Guess we will have to wait and see what the deal is when Auckland Council decide what to do next month but since you decided to chime in Jamo I would be grateful if you could to some who does not understand - why do the mods not race at WS and Baypark (very often)? |
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