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Post by bernie on Jun 10, 2018 8:22:10 GMT 12
I always hoped that ASSCC and SPL could have shared one "high quality" venue, wherever that may have been in Auckland, that being the best outcome for speedway "over all". I don't buy for one minute that both genres cant use the same track.
It appears that at last a deal has been done.
Both ASSCC and SPL can now get on with moving forward, that's got to be good thing.
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Post by nzrscene on Jun 10, 2018 9:48:02 GMT 12
If you return to another SPeedway club down the road, there vision is much the same after 50 years Thats a bit harsh, haven't you noticed in the last 50 years the Clubrooms, sealed pits and new lighting all done with no Council support. All done on land that is leased. How much more would you spend on things that ultimately you cant take away. Would have been the ultimate irony if SPL had of walked in and taken over. I totally agree with your comments in regard to the funding the ASSCC has put into Waikaraka Park over the years. When the Club took over from the original promoter (Cowan & Black) there were large debts that the Club ended up having to clear including lease fees to the Onehunga Borough Council. For the majority who are unaware, back in 1988 the Onehunga Borough Council were going to demolish the grandstand due to structural concerns. The Club was given an option to contribute a third of the cost for remedial work that would extend its life for a further 25 years. The Club made a payment of $100,000 and the Council contributed $200,000. That would be the last time that the Council contributed any sort of funding to Waikaraka. |
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Post by woodart on Jun 10, 2018 13:49:17 GMT 12
Well, I enjoyed the debate while it lasted. I am quite sure you have no idea who you have been trying to make a point with. I have been waiting for a point, but it has just descended into school boy nonsense. Enjoy the sun, and good luck for the next two years - I do hope it works out. GoFast out for good. I hope not go fast. your posts are well thought out and worth reading(and thinking about). |
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Post by beachboy on Jun 10, 2018 17:40:09 GMT 12
Hey John Watson - I've been awake and fighting this for over six years as have thousands of others. Where have you been and what have you been doing to help save the springs? Nothing seems to be the answer! Western Springs is not the same as Mt Smart. Even the die hard fans will have seen the track fall apart and the number of serious crashes increasing in recent years. That is because the track has been too small for a long time, and can't take the horsepower or tire tech anymore (like many tracks in NZ). The pits are not big enough for the competitors and 12 nights is not a racing season - Western Springs, no matter what your attachment to the place and history is, is a constraint on the sport, not a bastion to be fought for. Mr Watson certainly does not understand this because he does not know enough about the sport. The western springs track,if it were in the USA, would probably run County events and possibly a State Event for midget cars (not sprint cars), but it certainly would not run National events. Mr Watson would have preferred himself and other casual Auckland Speedway fans to still be sitting on the terraces in 20 years, hot dog in hand cheering for the 'kiwi battler' giving the yanks a race blissfully unaware the 'kiwi battler' was twice as talented as the yanks but suffering from lack of race time, sponsors and had never developed the same set of skills because they had learned their craft on a nuts track. A bit like cheering Ngaruawahia on against Melbourne - go you good thing; bugger, lost again. Why do people keep comparing us with the USA and using them as an example of what our sport should be like, We just simply don't have the population to do things as big as them!!. If America only had 1% of their population supporting speedway and we wanted to match them we would then need 80% of our population to become involved in the sport. |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 10, 2018 19:30:22 GMT 12
Western Springs is not the same as Mt Smart. Even the die hard fans will have seen the track fall apart and the number of serious crashes increasing in recent years. That is because the track has been too small for a long time, and can't take the horsepower or tire tech anymore (like many tracks in NZ). The pits are not big enough for the competitors and 12 nights is not a racing season - Western Springs, no matter what your attachment to the place and history is, is a constraint on the sport, not a bastion to be fought for. Mr Watson certainly does not understand this because he does not know enough about the sport. The western springs track,if it were in the USA, would probably run County events and possibly a State Event for midget cars (not sprint cars), but it certainly would not run National events. Mr Watson would have preferred himself and other casual Auckland Speedway fans to still be sitting on the terraces in 20 years, hot dog in hand cheering for the 'kiwi battler' giving the yanks a race blissfully unaware the 'kiwi battler' was twice as talented as the yanks but suffering from lack of race time, sponsors and had never developed the same set of skills because they had learned their craft on a nuts track. A bit like cheering Ngaruawahia on against Melbourne - go you good thing; bugger, lost again. Why do people keep comparing us with the USA and using them as an example of what our sport should be like, We just simply don't have the population to do things as big as them!!. If America only had 1% of their population supporting speedway and we wanted to match them we would then need 80% of our population to become involved in the sport. Hiya Beachboy, I think it's actually not a bad idea to have a look at the USA tracks and compare what a Colin Dale facility could look like. I've seen lots of World of Outlaws videos on You Tube and some of their track set ups don't look particularly flash to me. "Ours" ie: the new one in New Zealand could raise the bar internationally. I've never been to "The Home Of Sprintcars" at Knoxville but it seems to me that with all those vehicles on the infield that the people sitting on the lower seats in the (uncovered) stands might have their view obstructed a bit? Plus there's no seating on the corners.. But I might be completely wrong and it might be awesome in reality. The black dirt surface does seem to be pretty good there though, maybe import some, but definitely don't use terracotta. So yes, I think it is a very good idea to have a look at as many USA tracks as possible and incorporate all the good idea's from over there to "our" one over here. Measure twice, cut once as they say.  |
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Post by orapiuwharf on Jun 10, 2018 21:05:30 GMT 12
gofast.
Please stay. Just ignore those that believe people that have a different opinion to themselves are not worthy of having an opinion. Lets face it some people voted labour. ( now nobody will own up to that in public)
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 10, 2018 21:30:12 GMT 12
gofast. Please stay. Just ignore those that believe people that have a different opinion to themselves are not worthy of having an opinion. Lets face it some people voted labour. ( now nobody will own up to that in public) My Son is an underground miner. Bill English abandoned those families at Pike River. Thats why I voted against National. But back on topic, yes I agree - please stay Go Fast, it's good to hear different views on such a massive event in NZ speedway history. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 22:12:56 GMT 12
I voted Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 22:46:34 GMT 12
My Son is an underground miner. Bill English abandoned those families at Pike River. Thats why I voted against National. Let me know when you get disappointed with Little & Peters, who unfortunately have played politics with the families of those victims. Now back to the topic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 22:53:59 GMT 12
We should certainly get back on topic...a grown up conversation on politics would be near on impossible on here.
I agree with Bernie`s post from page 11...the decision has been made and now ASSCC and SPL can move on to hopefully better things.
Anthony
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Post by magpie on Jun 11, 2018 9:02:36 GMT 12
This Environment Court decision makes for interesting reading and if my interpretation of this ruling is correct, Nelson Speedway can only hold one-night meetings and separation between those meetings can be no less than fourteen calendar days, and Nelson Speedway will be in breach of the terms of their land use consent if they hold two-consecutive-night meetings or two meetings less than fourteen calendar day apart, effectively ruling out holding two-consecutive-night SNZ championships unless they can have this decision overturned or land use consent amended. Decision No. [2018] NZEnvC 78This can be likened to Western Springs where suburbia and NIMBYs have crept close a location where there was not much more for miles other than the track when it was first constructed. |
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Post by Jeffery on Jun 11, 2018 10:23:19 GMT 12
This Environment Court decision makes for interesting reading and if my interpretation of this ruling is correct, Nelson Speedway can only hold one-night meetings and separation between those meetings can be no less than fourteen calendar days, and Nelson Speedway will be in breach of the terms of their land use consent if they hold two-consecutive-night meetings or two meetings less than fourteen calendar day apart, effectively ruling out holding two-consecutive-night SNZ championships unless they can have this decision overturned or land use consent amended. Decision No. [2018] NZEnvC 78This can be likened to Western Springs where suburbia and NIMBYs have crept close a location where there was not much more for miles other than the track when it was first constructed. Wow. Does not look good |
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Post by hmac on Jun 11, 2018 11:30:06 GMT 12
Just shows how careful and detailed you have to be regarding any consent applications. Get a couple of people with an environmental bee in their bonnett, and it gets dicey. Wish Nelson well in however they can get around it. Seems churlish using a document from 1968 to enforce things in 2017....it's not as if the club horribly abused the terms, going by the docs shown. Probably have to "lawyer up" and try to keep abreast of current environmental trends. Other clubs/promotions might well need to have a look at the detail of their agreements just to make certain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 13:49:00 GMT 12
It doesnt say why these two people have kicked up this fuss..??
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Post by magilla on Jun 11, 2018 18:10:04 GMT 12
I am guessing that they have bought property nearby
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Post by bikeboy on Jun 11, 2018 19:43:00 GMT 12
Just shows how careful and detailed you have to be regarding any consent applications. Get a couple of people with an environmental bee in their bonnett, and it gets dicey. Wish Nelson well in however they can get around it. Seems churlish using a document from 1968 to enforce things in 2017....it's not as if the club horribly abused the terms, going by the docs shown. Probably have to "lawyer up" and try to keep abreast of current environmental trends. Other clubs/promotions might well need to have a look at the detail of their agreements just to make certain. my guess would be they would need to apply for a new resource consent to go with the same as they have been doing, you can do what you like until someone complains and looks up the original rules, in this case, the 1968 ones, a lot of times clubs just run what they always have because thats what they think they are allowed to do, i wish the Nelson club the best, hopefully they get consent to run what they have been, |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 16:42:50 GMT 12
This whole issue surrounding future western springs speedway dates back 2002-03 season when meetings were limited just 12 meetings per season. soon after Rugby world cup 2011 whole new set of rules get more events into Eden park was on the horizon, pay for world cup subsequently been loosing in revenue. only handful of test matches very little other going on next step was try remove western springs speedway. i sense this whole deal was done in dusted quite awhile back. spl couldn't see future of trying save the sport there, was like banging head on brick wall.. getting rid speedway would open way for concerts fill that void. as there was no way going to happen while speedway was going @ the springs. warriors deal fallen through for Eden park, Rfl plans moving speedway and making western springs test cricket venue along with concerts was what this is about for long i can remember... Eden park Rugby was the reason for speedway go. basically the council would prolong this for about 6 years till their lease run out. spl just didnt want keep on fighting battle save venue of historic value.. because this country regardless what you hear speedway not major importance to restructing of stadiums around Auckland region.
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 19, 2018 20:30:45 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 15:40:10 GMT 12
nice size track..4/10s of a mile = 643.7 meters...
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Post by bernie on Jun 24, 2018 10:17:04 GMT 12
I am trying to think of any park that has gone from conception to opening the gates in two years.
Having viewed the finance committee meeting on another thread, there is a whole lot more water to go under this bridge.
Given the SPL $30- 40m wish list and the $12m budget number being speculated about, and add to that the enabling/supporting works on the roads around the venue.
That's some very deep water still to go under the bridge.
Don't pack your bags yet WS fans, personally I think you will be there for a while yet.
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