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Post by magilla on Nov 16, 2018 16:33:08 GMT 12
it seems more to be large chunks of clay as opposed to rocks. Same as what happened to Ant Goodwin. The track seems to be too soft, but then if it was drier and harder people would be complaining about dust and slick track. Run a dirt track instead of a clay track maybe? From memory Ant Goodwins head (or very close to it) hit one of the fence piles. Nothing to do with dirt and stones on the track. The track has been fine to race - drive the top line around the bumps if you don’t like them - the last two meetings it hasn’t been that hard. Maybe drivers should look at screens in there cages - I for one learnt the hard way and was lucky when a torque tube was flying through the air and ended up taking out a panel - ever since I have been a strong advocate for cockpit screens (not rock screens - they are completely different) my memory says it was large lump of clay that hit helmet knocking him out which caused the crash. But then we might both be right or both wrong certainly both old enough to have memories that ain't what they used to be. Others probably have different memories again so ... |
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Post by John W. on Nov 16, 2018 16:34:52 GMT 12
Of note - I see no mention in either article about any private funding (I thought initial statements said SPL was putting in some $$$).
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Post by Rota on Nov 16, 2018 19:09:29 GMT 12
Of note - I see no mention in either article about any private funding (I thought initial statements said SPL was putting in some $$$). Private funding is apparently going be more then both councils money put together. |
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Post by BarryB on Nov 16, 2018 19:15:44 GMT 12
The closer it all gets, the further away it appears.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 19:45:19 GMT 12
Waikaraka should change their tag line now... “Waikaraka, the only speedway in Auckland” haha.
Council will eventually realize what an absolute crap storm moving Speedway is, and wipe their hands of it.
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Post by tony27 on Nov 16, 2018 19:47:41 GMT 12
Read both articles & saw Ron Salter laughed at the $30 million cost & said $50 million was more realistic. The way $11.5 suddenly became $30 million you have to think he could have a point
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Post by maxim on Nov 16, 2018 19:57:45 GMT 12
Good old Dogman knows hes stuff lol
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Post by midway on Nov 16, 2018 21:03:36 GMT 12
You cant build a silk purse out of a sows ear ...
What is $ 50 million for a purpose built stadium in the biggest city of Nz ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 21:04:42 GMT 12
You cant build a silk purse out of a sows ear ... What is $ 50 million for a purpose built stadium in the biggest city of Nz ... A waste of money... haha |
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Post by speedwayjunkie on Nov 16, 2018 22:09:08 GMT 12
You cant build a silk purse out of a sows ear ... What is $ 50 million for a purpose built stadium in the biggest city of Nz ... A waste of money... haha "You can't build a silk purse out of a sows ear" Too true, that's what we have currently, Springs have managed good tracks in the past, can someone out there recall who it was who prepared those tracks & bring them back, that would be money well spent.
"What is $ 50 million for a purpose built stadium in the biggest city of Nz ..." $50 million is a lot to spend on a venue built on unstable land, If the ratepayers are to invest $50 million
in this project which will be used for a portion of the year, could it be a more multi use stadium?
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Post by nakifans on Nov 17, 2018 3:39:31 GMT 12
To be honest the Colin Dale/ W.S. debacle could spell the death knell of the current council if they get this terribly wrong.
How can a cash strapped council which has had to have central government come to it's aide with a fuel tax to help it with roading costs be seen to flitter what will probably end up to be more like $100m between the cricket and speedway stadiums.
Yes would be nice to have world class stadiums for both but remember there is also a multi facet use waterfront stadium in the pipeline. A business study of investment vs return for ratepayers would probably be in the water front investment . Rugby/ concerts etc and better all year round usage for investment.
Is the W.P. deal a dead duck or can that still be resurrected.
Another thing that needs to looked at is the 30 yr deal to one private promoter which seems to be one of the key back door deals done.
As a ratepayer and motorist like many I will be watching this with interest. Tuesday outcome has more than the stadiums future on the line.
Would also be nice to of had comments from Mr Mosen on the rising costs to his secret deal and also how much are they going to invest in their money making scheme.
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Post by midway on Nov 17, 2018 6:50:43 GMT 12
dust was a nuisance ,now its appears un stable ground yeah right ,
Auckland International airport was built on mudflats ,
One of the guys that built good tracks ,was kicked in the gutz that many times by a arrogant individual,he packed his chutney flavoured ham sami,s up and left the place to those who are trying to learn what he has forgotten about ....
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Post by hienekenno1 on Nov 17, 2018 8:22:54 GMT 12
Have a feeling the Auckland midget and sprintcar boys could be doing alot of traveling to Baypark,Huntly and Kikikihi in a couple of years time,hope I'm wrong though,have been known to be wrong before lol.
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Post by axl1 on Nov 17, 2018 8:30:00 GMT 12
There seems to be three elements to this stadium issue.
1. The cost of moving and building a new venue purpose built for speedway
2. The cost of turning Western Springs into a cricket venue/concert venue
3. SPL, being a private entity and receiving ratepayer funding, lease rights etc
I know we are all speedway supporters and throughout a number of discussion threads, we have discussed everything from WP, springs track conditions etc.
This has been handled poorly from the start at the hands of the RFA and we are now starting to see this via miss information or the lack of information that was withheld from all parties concerned.
From the get-go, the plan was always to move speedway out of Western Springs and unfortunately speedway has become collateral damage in the political power struggle between the RFA and outside parties over control of stadiums and venues in Auckland.
The RFA has been trying to protect their leasing fees revenue they charge to promoters to host concerts at their venues. There plan is to move speedway out of the Western Springs, build a cricket ground/concert venue, joining Mt Smart to control the two major stadium concert venues in Auckland.
Why, Because of a company called Live Nation, the largest artist management, concert promoters, stadium and venue owners, and ticketing agency in the world.
Live Nation own Spark arena and have for some time been looking to secure venue rights or purchase a stadium in New Zealand (Auckland) to bolster its international portfolio.
Live Nation has been in discussions with Eden Park and behind the scenes are involved in the new waterfront (Privately funded) stadium.
Yesterday the Red-Hot Chili Peppers announced a NZ/AU tour.
This band would sell out Western Springs and or Mt Smart Stadium easily, in fact, i would think they could add a 2nd show after selling out if the concert were to be held at these venues.
Why go to a 12,000-seat indoor stadium?.
Because Live Nation is the promoter and they own Spark arena.
That's the reason why Taylor Swift ended up at Spark arena, another Live Nation managed artist with all of her concerts being promoted by Live Nation world wide at venues Live Nation has exclusive rights to use or owns.
The threat RFA are trying to avoid is Live Nation getting venue rights or purchasing a stadium venue to run all of there own artists and events leaving the RFA out of pocket and revenue as most of the promoters using RFA venues currently don't have the resources to manage artists, promote and own venues as the juggernaut that is Live Nation.
That’s revenue the RFA are missing out on from Live Nation not using their venues currently and in the future if they should get thier hands on a large stadium sized venue, and that's what this is all about.
This is were the real story is…
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Post by jimmyj on Nov 17, 2018 8:44:48 GMT 12
The whole thing has been a crock of sh-t all the way from the start .Typical council wayne kers trying to impress with crap.Just leave it alone go back to racing 20 meetings or how ever many then the council plonkers get back a bit more revenue .I for one won't be travelling to baypark every week to watch speedway for sure .
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Post by BarryB on Nov 18, 2018 0:10:19 GMT 12
There seems to be three elements to this stadium issue. 1. The cost of moving and building a new venue purpose built for speedway 2. The cost of turning Western Springs into a cricket venue/concert venue 3. SPL, being a private entity and receiving ratepayer funding, lease rights etc I know we are all speedway supporters and throughout a number of discussion threads, we have discussed everything from WP, springs track conditions etc. This has been handled poorly from the start at the hands of the RFA and we are now starting to see this via miss information or the lack of information that was withheld from all parties concerned. From the get-go, the plan was always to move speedway out of Western Springs and unfortunately speedway has become collateral damage in the political power struggle between the RFA and outside parties over control of stadiums and venues in Auckland. The RFA has been trying to protect their leasing fees revenue they charge to promoters to host concerts at their venues. There plan is to move speedway out of the Western Springs, build a cricket ground/concert venue, joining Mt Smart to control the two major stadium concert venues in Auckland. Why, Because of a company called Live Nation, the largest artist management, concert promoters, stadium and venue owners, and ticketing agency in the world. Live Nation own Spark arena and have for some time been looking to secure venue rights or purchase a stadium in New Zealand (Auckland) to bolster its international portfolio. Live Nation has been in discussions with Eden Park and behind the scenes are involved in the new waterfront (Privately funded) stadium. Yesterday the Red-Hot Chili Peppers announced a NZ/AU tour. This band would sell out Western Springs and or Mt Smart Stadium easily, in fact, i would think they could add a 2nd show after selling out if the concert were to be held at these venues. Why go to a 12,000-seat indoor stadium?. Because Live Nation is the promoter and they own Spark arena. That's the reason why Taylor Swift ended up at Spark arena, another Live Nation managed artist with all of her concerts being promoted by Live Nation world wide at venues Live Nation has exclusive rights to use or owns. The threat RFA are trying to avoid is Live Nation getting venue rights or purchasing a stadium venue to run all of there own artists and events leaving the RFA out of pocket and revenue as most of the promoters using RFA venues currently don't have the resources to manage artists, promote and own venues as the juggernaut that is Live Nation. That’s revenue the RFA are missing out on from Live Nation not using their venues currently and in the future if they should get thier hands on a large stadium sized venue, and that's what this is all about. This is were the real story is… Taylor Swift played Mt Smart, not Spark Arena. And no, I wasn't there hahahahaha Barry B |
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Post by midway on Nov 18, 2018 15:30:28 GMT 12
Please tell me another Story,
You will be made Famous with out any glory ,
We will be waiting in anticipation,
So you can broadcast it across on live nation ..
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