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Post by midway on Aug 13, 2019 13:15:22 GMT 12
Yesterday we got invited to look at a job where our workers would be protected be hind barriers to do there job
But these barriers are not concrete theyre formed sheet plate ,look the same as concrete and all bolted together ,
The question was asked how much impact they would take ,the quick answer was more than concrete and alot more non injury prone ,as to the design in construction .
It is a real eye opener who the liability is if any serious injuries should occur from the manufacturer down to the person standing or working behind such .
Concrete seems to be a thing of the past ,and those who still want to use it ,are liable for its construction according to health & safety so is it time for a rethink in our sport ,maybe patch and repair isnt the way to go any more ..
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Post by mod46c on Aug 13, 2019 15:10:59 GMT 12
Famously the Oswego Speedway, gets its nicknamed 'The Steel Palace' from its wall being constructed using steel and has done so for a very long time (> 60 years).
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Post by woodart on Aug 13, 2019 17:30:38 GMT 12
if you look at many u.s. tracks, there outside walls either dont exist, or are that far away that they are not important. I believe that NZ speedway is the best in the world, but our tracks are far too narrow, and have been held hostage by two contact classes, many of which seem to need a wall to put on a show. absolute round things, only fools like trump think a wall is the answer.
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Post by woodart on Aug 13, 2019 17:32:02 GMT 12
if you look at many u.s. tracks, there outside walls either dont exist, or are that far away that they are not important. I believe that NZ speedway is the best in the world, but our tracks are far too narrow, and have been held hostage by two contact classes, many of which seem to need a wall to put on a show. absolute round things, only fools like trump think a wall is the answer. I did NOT say round things. balls to the website |
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Post by beachboy on Aug 13, 2019 18:10:24 GMT 12
if you look at many u.s. tracks, there outside walls either dont exist, or are that far away that they are not important. I believe that NZ speedway is the best in the world, but our tracks are far too narrow, and have been held hostage by two contact classes, many of which seem to need a wall to put on a show. absolute round things, only fools like trump think a wall is the answer. What makes you believe we have the best speedway in the world? Is it the contact classes? |
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Post by woodart on Aug 13, 2019 22:06:36 GMT 12
[quote source="/post/445528/thread" author="@wot makes you believe we have the best speedway in the world? Is it the contact classes? its everything combined. its the fact that we have many different classes, contact and noncontact. its having up to 25 races a night(dont see that in many other countries). its having mostly open pits. its having a nofault acc scheme instead of private insurance rippoffs. its having family orientated speedways that dont rely on drunken rednecks for survival.its having a speedway every hundred k, instead of six hours drive. its having clubrooms where you can mingle with fans and drivers off all classes. |
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Post by nakifans on Aug 14, 2019 6:22:38 GMT 12
Yesterday we got invited to look at a job where our workers would be protected be hind barriers to do there job But these barriers are not concrete theyre formed sheet plate ,look the same as concrete and all bolted together , The question was asked how much impact they would take ,the quick answer was more than concrete and alot more non injury prone ,as to the design in construction . It is a real eye opener who the liability is if any serious injuries should occur from the manufacturer down to the person standing or working behind such . Concrete seems to be a thing of the past ,and those who still want to use it ,are liable for its construction according to health & safety so is it time for a rethink in our sport ,maybe patch and repair isnt the way to go any more .. A big tick to Midway for bringing this to the speedway masses attention. Hope you can get this info to the speedway board, especially the, a lot more non injury prone due to design and also bolted together must speed up repairs if damage to the wall did occur. Liability is a big issue, the you enter at your own risk, motorsport is a dangerous sport etc notices aren't worth the time of day if an injury or worse happens and health and safety get involved. Cost v's safety isn't even a question, safety always 1st. The old why do that or spend this because nothing in the past has happened to warrant it also not an argument . If we going to push the sport as family entertainment safety must be high on the agenda, and if these walls help both competitors and spectators safety only a fool would not investigate further. Our ACC laws stop suing, but in the news recently a spectator at a AB match overseas suing the Home rugby union because the ball was kicked into the stand and hit her. Luckily we don't have that sort of issues here, but that doesn't mean we can penny pinch on safety. |
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Post by woodart on Aug 14, 2019 17:50:10 GMT 12
we should be very thankful for acc. and be very aware of any politico who wants to change it.going to speedways overseas and paying $20 for private insurance to enter pits., and being aware that any claim will be a lucky dip.
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Post by busterbell on Aug 15, 2019 22:02:05 GMT 12
I don't think steel walls would be very pleasing to my ear......that being said some venues have very poor maintenance programmes when it comes to wall repairs.
The trouble is you are comparing a structure (construction barrier) that is not meant to be hit to one (speedway barrier) that is intentionally hit repetitively.
I surmise if concrete was not feasible it would have stopped being used years ago. You would have to be a scientist to conclude whether steel is in any way a more viable option.
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Post by midway on Aug 15, 2019 23:56:46 GMT 12
I don't think steel walls would be very pleasing to my ear......that being said some venues have very poor maintenance programmes when it comes to wall repairs. The trouble is you are comparing a structure (construction barrier) that is not meant to be hit to one (speedway barrier) that is intentionally hit repetitively. I surmise if concrete was not feasible it would have stopped being used years ago. You would have to be a scientist to conclude whether steel is in any way a more viable option. Concrete as used in barriers usually snaps into pieces under impact by the likes of trucks etc ,where as steel is more resilient and can with stand more pressure and will squash down more without the possibility of fragments flying through the air with fewer injuries incurred . The LTSA have stopped using concrete barriers in most places and all used concrete barriers are demolished .Try buying concrete barriers off Transit Nz theyve been unavalable for some years now .The question they focus on is who is going to take responsibility if the barrier shatters causing injury or death .,especially older barriers .,now Health &safety have jumped on the same band wagon .. |
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