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Post by The Observer on Nov 2, 2019 19:18:34 GMT 12
Both had funky high bars, wonder if they will get the same result?
Didn’t Clark have to cut his off to race?
Sure there are some high bar on and high bar cut off shots on this site
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Post by The Observer on Nov 2, 2019 19:22:19 GMT 12
Seems the pics were mainly posted on tinyoic 🤷🏻♂️ Here are a couple more photos of the car around the time that SNZ decided that high bars were illegal although the rule book was non specific.  I understood at the time the SNZ interpretation on this issue was that because it was attached to the rollcage it forms part of the cage and must be fully enclosed by the body. I enquired some time later with SNZ seeking clarification however I no longer have the response. I think the reasoning behind it was that as it was not specifically allowed for in the rules so no you cant run them. So it was one of those rules that the rulebook does not specifically allow or prevent. When you look at the placement of the hibars on clarks car (photo above) its clear that they do not extend down to the front bumper so you could argue that you are already in the $hit and are likely to be rolled. To me hibars as per the Proctor pic just serve to prevent other cars coming straight into the front of the rollcage which cannot be a bad thing. PS some more great photos from the archive pallmall  |
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 3, 2019 0:26:06 GMT 12
Seems the pics were mainly posted on tinyoic 🤷🏻♂️ I understood at the time the SNZ interpretation on this issue was that because it was attached to the rollcage it forms part of the cage and must be fully enclosed by the body. I enquired some time later with SNZ seeking clarification however I no longer have the response. I think the reasoning behind it was that as it was not specifically allowed for in the rules so no you cant run them. So it was one of those rules that the rulebook does not specifically allow or prevent. When you look at the placement of the hibars on clarks car (photo above) its clear that they do not extend down to the front bumper so you could argue that you are already in the $hit and are likely to be rolled. To me hibars as per the Proctor pic just serve to prevent other cars coming straight into the front of the rollcage which cannot be a bad thing. PS some more great photos from the archive pallmall The photo won't open for me, could you post it again please The Observer thanks. |
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 3, 2019 6:20:47 GMT 12
94p William Humphries debuted his new car that he built himself last night at Palmerston North. William started off the back in all his races and finished 3rd overall in the Show Night Cup. When I was young a lot of cars were different looking, but also a lot the same like Tanks and A35 bodies. Nowadays there seems to be heaps of variety too, except they go much, much faster. Cool. This car barks a mean bark, William is an expert engineer and expert driver and I've got no doubt it'll bite a mean bite too. Good luck William.  Traction from standing restart.  Variety - Ford Y, Williams new car, and Rees Spank  Jack Miers won a race last night, so did Peter Bengston.  ...and from the back..  I couldn't capture the neon lights on the wing so you'll have to keep an eye out yourself.  More pics from Palmy on Go Slideways TV board late this afternoon. |
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Post by The Observer on Nov 3, 2019 7:51:32 GMT 12
Thanks for the photos - agree looks awesome! I suspect there will be snz interference however. They banned Highbars in 90s - hopefully this pic from Barry B and Clark proctor comes out  In fact Barry B might still have access to the original. And there is a stockcar in Nelson who had their front wing removed by SNZ m.facebook.com/8nPaynterPerformance/Perhaps Busterbell will have a wing photo of this car and be able to provide some insight? Not in Nelson, so happy to be clarified on that situation So will be interesting to see which way the scrutineers go for consistency. Or if the rules will continue to be applied differently which might create issues at national titles in the future Either way all drivers featured have had big off seasons and cars look great |
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Post by tony68 on Nov 3, 2019 8:41:27 GMT 12
Definitely will make a good launching ramp come teams champs If he gets under someone. Might have to make the safety fence even higher!!!!!
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Post by kiwisnoopy on Nov 3, 2019 8:47:23 GMT 12
Wow, We have now gone down the slippery slope all together. Started with the "Hilman Imp" body on the tank, than the Peter Rees "Spanks" and now the 94 Monstrosity. Used to enjoy taking photos of good looking stock cars, but no need any more, they now seem to be going down the road of the Ugly pommie cars, the so called Super saloons (Wedges). Bring back the "Real" looking Stock Cars like the old 88H with body's that look like "Cars" hence the name "Stock Cars" not bloody re inforced sprint cars. Sad Sad Days for speedway.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Nov 3, 2019 9:34:20 GMT 12
I remember 15h Graham Pegg did a few meetings with the hi bar in the early 90s but Clark Proctor never got to race his.Im not sure if I like the hi bar chassis or not,if snz allow it,I suppose they will grow on me.
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Post by tony27 on Nov 3, 2019 9:47:07 GMT 12
If the interpretation of the rule mentioned was that the bars needed to be covered in bodywork due to being part of the roll cage then it looks like he has that covered, if he gets pulled up on that then the no body cars must surely also get pulled for no bodywork over the roolcage.
Interesting car & will be good to see how it gets on this season
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Post by sonic33 on Nov 3, 2019 10:49:14 GMT 12
I really like it. Immaculate presentation and engineering to match. If SNZ are going to have an issue with it, hopefully it's not as he rocks up to the NZ's.I like seeing something different. Well down team Humphries as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 3, 2019 12:01:01 GMT 12
Wow, We have now gone down the slippery slope all together. Started with the "Hilman Imp" body on the tank, than the Peter Rees "Spanks" and now the 94 Monstrosity. Used to enjoy taking photos of good looking stock cars, but no need any more, they now seem to be going down the road of the Ugly pommie cars, the so called Super saloons (Wedges). Bring back the "Real" looking Stock Cars like the old 88H with body's that look like "Cars" hence the name "Stock Cars" not bloody re inforced sprint cars. Sad Sad Days for speedway. Go to a classic or historic meeting with your Box Brownie if you want to see old steel car bodies on flat chassis. Dave Evans ran a no body car about 40 years ago, but I suppose you probably told Dave rather insultingly that his car was a "monstrosity" way back then as you attempted to halt evolution in a King Canute type fashion. Obviously you failed. Sidecars don't look like they used to way back in the time period you refer to either, when they had upright riding positions and vee twin Godden motors or Weslake any more either - it's called progress and the fans love it. Except one or 2 grumpy old buggers that aren't good at adapting or accepting change. Rock on 94p Superstock. |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Nov 3, 2019 13:46:29 GMT 12
 How bout something like this? |
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Post by BarryB on Nov 3, 2019 14:58:01 GMT 12
Thanks for the photos - agree looks awesome! I suspect there will be snz interference however. They banned Highbars in 90s - hopefully this pic from Barry B and Clark proctor comes out In fact Barry B might still have access to the original. And there is a stockcar in Nelson who had their front wing removed by SNZ m.facebook.com/8nPaynterPerformance/Perhaps Busterbell will have a wing photo of this car and be able to provide some insight? Not in Nelson, so happy to be clarified on that situation So will be interesting to see which way the scrutineers go for consistency. Or if the rules will continue to be applied differently which might create issues at national titles in the future Either way all drivers featured have had big off seasons and cars look great It was a strange happening at the time, as the SNZ official that banned the Clark Proctor car (completed but unraced) and the Ritchie Wright car (still under construction), both from Auckland, had previously let the Graeme Pegg car, also driven by Shane Anderson, race at his home track in Huntly. In the picture you've posted Clark is holding a picture of a Hi bar stockcar from the 1950's. Pictures of all 4 cars were printed in NZDTR magazine back at the time. It will be interesting to see what happens with the 94p. Barry B |
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Post by The Observer on Nov 3, 2019 15:09:28 GMT 12
Excellent point BB - also hope someone can dig out the article and grab a photo of the 4 cars and post it here.
I’m also interested in the front wing being allowed in PN but not allowed in Nelson.
What’s the go here
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Post by BarryB on Nov 3, 2019 15:19:50 GMT 12
Excellent point BB - also hope someone can dig out the article and grab a photo of the 4 cars and post it here. I’m also interested in the front wing being allowed in PN but not allowed in Nelson. What’s the go here I actually like the look of the 94p, but I can see many of its features being deemed non-compliant. It will be interesting. Barry B |
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Post by mainlander on Nov 3, 2019 15:27:43 GMT 12
Read on the Humphries facebook page cage is 4 x as strong as last years cage I think it looks wicked and there has been some out of the square thinking in this build
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 15:40:28 GMT 12
I dont understand the front wing, other than for looks, (beauty is in the eye of the beholder), but really what can that little wing do on a super/stk car chassis, i cant see it having any real advantage at all imho
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 16:11:18 GMT 12
Excellent point BB - also hope someone can dig out the article and grab a photo of the 4 cars and post it here. I’m also interested in the front wing being allowed in PN but not allowed in Nelson. What’s the go here I actually like the look of the 94p, but I can see many of its features being deemed non-compliant. It will be interesting. Barry B It must be 100% compliant or it wouldn't have passed greensheeting or the scrutineers on it debut. He should be free to travel and race at any track without fear of being told he is non compliant. Or is this theory Vs reality stuff and the first time he goes out of town he will end up on the trailer? Once a car has been given the green light to race, unless the rules are changed the car can't then be deemed illegal, Can it? For the record I think it looks absolutely brilliant. Same as I like the Spanks, tanks, Gordge, kuriger, Rees and any other innovative designs that have come out in the last how ever many number of years we are up too now. |
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Post by chevy1957 on Nov 3, 2019 16:25:50 GMT 12
I actually like the look of the 94p, but I can see many of its features being deemed non-compliant. It will be interesting. Barry B It must be 100% compliant or it wouldn't have passed greensheeting or the scrutineers on it debut. He should be free to travel and race at any track without fear of being told he is non compliant. Or is this theory Vs reality stuff and the first time he goes out of town he will end up on the trailer? Once a car has been given the green light to race, unless the rules are changed the car can't then be deemed illegal, Can it? For the record I think it looks absolutely brilliant. Same as I like the Spanks, tanks, Gordge, kuriger, Rees and any other innovative designs that have come out in the last how ever many number of years we are up too now. Got to agree that these cars with the different looks are cool not boring go for it boys&Girls change is good. |
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Post by The Observer on Nov 3, 2019 16:27:09 GMT 12
Read on the Humphries facebook page cage is 4 x as strong as last years cage I think it looks wicked and there has been some out of the square thinking in this build I think Wayne Hemi took that approach when he had some compliance issues with his roll cage. Ironically he also probably was the influence for getting a front wing going with his new chassis, who I can’t remember from the midget ranks built |
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