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Post by Go Slideways on May 17, 2020 0:36:18 GMT 12
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Post by pfloyd on May 17, 2020 9:54:21 GMT 12
i think its going to be great, but just one grizzle (there is always one isnt there - lol )why arent they putting a roof on the new stand ? the cost is never going to be cheaper than now and interest rates are next to nothing.Its going to be flash but without a roof it actually doesnt improve the viewing pleasure for those who attend an event in poor weather. a bit like putting a roof over a new Chch Stadium - its a bit of a no-brainer isnt it ?
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Post by Go Slideways on May 17, 2020 11:57:34 GMT 12
i think its going to be great, but just one grizzle (there is always one isnt there - lol )why arent they putting a roof on the new stand ? the cost is never going to be cheaper than now and interest rates are next to nothing.Its going to be flash but without a roof it actually doesnt improve the viewing pleasure for those who attend an event in poor weather. a bit like putting a roof over a new Chch Stadium - its a bit of a no-brainer isnt it ? The funding for that part hasn't been approved yet, probably why it's not on the virtual video, but since that part of the project will create more jobs building the asset personally I think the funding application has a good chance of being successful. From the article: " The council has applied to the Government's "shovel-ready" infrastructure fund for help to build the seating, a roof, and food, beverage and hospitality facilities for the new stand. If successful, that part of the project would be ready to go ahead in 12 months' time, directly after the balance of the work was finished. The first major event likely to use the new facilities, it was hoped, would be the 2021 Speedway teams championships." |
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Post by Go Slideways on May 17, 2020 13:06:48 GMT 12
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Post by The Observer on May 17, 2020 13:19:25 GMT 12
I think they need to think Big and change the game entirely by scoping a roof project for the entire arena Think ultra big and an opening and closing roof Great for grass to grow Thinking along the lines of a budget - how about a flat plane that protects most of the track and crowd? This looks like a pretty big roof www.aurecongroup.com/projects/property/nelson-technical-hangar-no-1Or maybe Nelson speedway should investigate with there smaller track would definitely cover them, and different height requirements Might even fix some of those noise issues with their consent challenges |
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Post by Go Slideways on May 17, 2020 13:27:14 GMT 12
I think they need to think Big and change the game entirely by scoping a roof project for the entire arena Think ultra big and an opening and closing roof Great for grass to grow Thinking along the lines of a budget - how about a flat plane that protects most of the track and crowd? This looks like a pretty big roof www.aurecongroup.com/projects/property/nelson-technical-hangar-no-1Or maybe Nelson speedway should investigate with there smaller track would definitely cover them, and different height requirements Might even fix some of those noise issues with their consent challenges All the developments underway are part on a 10 year plan I think, I don't know whats after that but I think a massive roof covering the whole lot might be great for rugby, but since speedway is a summer sport and not on when its raining I don't think its a show stopper. "Palmy Proud" is what it says at the end of the video, hope Auckland City Council reads this and then has a good look at themselves and the lack of support they've given Waikaraka Park for a long time. |
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Post by midway on May 17, 2020 14:16:10 GMT 12
I think you cant compare the same apples in the basket between the two myself ,as the new Stadium wont be about just Speedway it has to and will cater for a much wider audience of people that will be stung know doubt in there rates bill .
Yes music concerts will be a attraction so Pete you will be able to dance all night in the pale moon light till the day is dawning ,c,mon my lover give us a kiss ,yes that will be you or Rammers ,i can see it happening ..
But Auckland has a wide range of venues for all sorts of sport ,concerts and other matters arising ,the biggest trouble there is they cant open there eyes and realize how many they really have and pick on Speedway at the springs as a classic example .I hope iam wrong but i just get that feeling Waikaraka park will be like Carlaw park and turned into sports fields as Huntly isnt that far down the new motorway system ..
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Post by magilla on May 17, 2020 16:10:29 GMT 12
will be the best stockcar track but still be a crap sprintcar track
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Post by Go Slideways on May 17, 2020 16:27:29 GMT 12
will be the best stockcar track but still be a crap sprintcar track Why do some people always say that? I've seen some really good racing there live with my own eyes, I wouldn't call it a crap track I'd call it a challenging one. Went 25 green laps with a full field going flat out when Steve Kinser was here and the lap record got broken 3 times in one night. Only had one crash at this years NZ Sprintcar Champs and some cool passes by Jamie Larsen. "Speedway" means more than just one class, Wembley Stadium is cool for bikes, Knoxville caters for Sprintcars with basic facilities etc. I think on balance the place will be right up there. I'll play Hogsnort Rupert on opening night. |
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Post by craige on May 17, 2020 18:18:38 GMT 12
I think they need to think Big and change the game entirely by scoping a roof project for the entire arena Think ultra big and an opening and closing roof Great for grass to grow Thinking along the lines of a budget - how about a flat plane that protects most of the track and crowd? This looks like a pretty big roof www.aurecongroup.com/projects/property/nelson-technical-hangar-no-1Or maybe Nelson speedway should investigate with there smaller track would definitely cover them, and different height requirements Might even fix some of those noise issues with their consent challenges Waste of time mate putting a roof over the whole arena unless they intend to put one over the pit area to .. who would go racing if it’s raining and don’t have a covered pit area . Not everyone got flash enclosed trailers or buses to hide in from the rain 🤪🤪 |
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Post by Go Slideways on May 17, 2020 22:36:06 GMT 12
I think you cant compare the same apples in the basket between the two myself ,as the new Stadium wont be about just Speedway it has to and will cater for a much wider audience of people that will be stung know doubt in there rates bill . Yes music concerts will be a attraction so Pete you will be able to dance all night in the pale moon light till the day is dawning ,c,mon my lover give us a kiss ,yes that will be you or Rammers ,i can see it happening .. But Auckland has a wide range of venues for all sorts of sport ,concerts and other matters arising ,the biggest trouble there is they cant open there eyes and realize how many they really have and pick on Speedway at the springs as a classic example .I hope iam wrong but i just get that feeling Waikaraka park will be like Carlaw park and turned into sports fields as Huntly isnt that far down the new motorway system .. I'll check but I'm pretty sure even though it says Council provided funding I don't think the money came from rates. TAB? Pokies? I'll check. |
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Post by theycallmewade on May 18, 2020 9:38:05 GMT 12
I think you cant compare the same apples in the basket between the two myself ,as the new Stadium wont be about just Speedway it has to and will cater for a much wider audience of people that will be stung know doubt in there rates bill . Yes music concerts will be a attraction so Pete you will be able to dance all night in the pale moon light till the day is dawning ,c,mon my lover give us a kiss ,yes that will be you or Rammers ,i can see it happening .. But Auckland has a wide range of venues for all sorts of sport ,concerts and other matters arising ,the biggest trouble there is they cant open there eyes and realize how many they really have and pick on Speedway at the springs as a classic example .I hope iam wrong but i just get that feeling Waikaraka park will be like Carlaw park and turned into sports fields as Huntly isnt that far down the new motorway system .. A couple of things: The project for Palmy is Phase 1 of a planned wider upgrade. The first phase was funded by a combination of council funding and contributions from local businesses, not the least Central Energy Trust who are the naming rights sponsor of the facility. The next stages of development are planned to be a new grandstand with additional corporate facilities on the front straight (with a roof) and a new indoor sports arena. The next two stages of development are part of the wider master plan but are not yet funded and don't have a definite timeline, but strong support from the council. What has been most interesting in the process down there is the very strong support for speedway from the Palmerston North City Council. I spoke to the Arena manager and he mentioned they do over 3000 individual events per year through the 4 Indoor Sports Halls, the main stadium and the outer fields. Of the 3000 speedway does 20 events per year but acounts for nearly 20% of their overall revenue! This is why speedway is being supported and looked after. Auckland could certainly learn a thing or two from the Palmy example - get hard numbers and push for support with an undeniable business case. $ Talks. Waikaraka Park hopefully will not go the way of Carlaw Park. The club has been working hard for nearly 6 years now on resolution of the grandstand and public toilets and has made some very good progress. Some may remember the public 'have your say' process in July last year to do with a council plan to upgrade Waikaraka Park. This process is for the whole park, sports fields and cemetery as well. The public feedback last year was overwhelmingly in support of the speedway with 77% of all respondents asking for it to be upgraded. This put the club in a very strong position as we went into the next stage which was to provide stakeholder input into what the master plan for the park upgrades would inlcude. On May 26 (next week) the new master plan is going to be presented to the Local Council Board for approval. Following that it will go back out for a 2nd round of public 'have your say' feedback. I have seen the plan and it is very impressive and will signal a long term series of major upgrades and improvements including the speedway. Now, here is the tricky bit. Once the plan is made public and once people actually get to see it, there is likely to be a mix of responses especially from the NIMBYs in the Onehunga area. The next round of 'have your say' will also need an overwhelming positive response for the speedway imporvements because that will prioritise the funding and timelines going forward. I will put up a separate thread with a lot more detail once the plan for Waikaraka Park is made public, but keep an eye out for it. It will need more positive voices than the negative ones likely to come from the NIMBYs, an no it does not have a roof. |
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Post by midway on May 18, 2020 19:36:57 GMT 12
All good things take time  it is good to see you are on the ball with the presentation of your plan to the local council or is it called the Waikiekie area board of trustee,s ?? But anyhow the best of luck i hope Phill Goff remembers where the place is ... |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 17:20:53 GMT 12
Pretty girl can i take you home on this bright and sunny morning
We've danced all night beneath the pale moon light and now the day is dawning... you did say hogsnort rupert!!
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Post by nakifans on May 19, 2020 18:11:34 GMT 12
I would like to think the smart promoters and SNZ join forces and jump on the band wagon of see NZ first as a result of covid 19 closing our borders to tourist's, and use this year as a big promotion to enjoy speedway around NZ in conjunction with other tourist attraction e.g. while in Rotorua visiting the local attractions there is also speedway offering affordable family entertainment a few minutes from the CBD.
Every speedway venue could advertise themselves along with local attractions and long term gain hopefully more spectators in the future.
While P/N looks to be up for a first class venue, most others with a positive presentation with tourists in mind could turn the negative into a permanent positive with not too much investment.
Hope P/N make it work and learn from the failure of B.P. which had the opportunity to be NZ's best speedway venue.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 16:34:35 GMT 12
Hey Slideways, you know that mantra you like, "you cant sell a secret", heres another one you should think on, the 3 Ps, why things dont sell
(including speedway tickets) Price, Presentation, Promotion. Theres the recipe, if your track is failing or anything else really..look to the 3 Ps..all problems solved. Thought I might toss that in the mix after nakifans mentioned presentation and promotion...
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Post by Go Slideways on May 20, 2020 17:47:56 GMT 12
Thanks for that Zitadel, another I like is:
“Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.”
― Warren Buffett
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Post by hbhornets on May 20, 2020 18:35:58 GMT 12
Thanks for that Zitadel, another I like is: “Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.” ― Warren Buffett Yea beat me to it. But would of used my own words but same meaning. Price is what you hand over but the value is what you perceive it to be. You cant change the price. But this ones for rammers. You can change the value. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 19:09:36 GMT 12
Thanks for that Zitadel, another I like is: “Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.” ― Warren Buffett You Hope!! price is what you pay for it, value is how you feel about it in the morning!! Price and value are linked but not so much as to limit price! lol |
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Post by jneil on May 21, 2020 0:55:27 GMT 12
Well I think it's great that a local body is investing in our sport and I look forward to enjoying racing at Palmy.
I'm also heartened to hear there's positive progress being made at Waikaraka Park. Well done to all those involved at both venues.
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it is good to see you are on the ball with the presentation of your plan to the local council or is it called the Waikiekie area board of trustee,s ?? But anyhow the best of luck i hope Phill Goff remembers where the place is ...
