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Post by Admin on Feb 8, 2021 8:47:29 GMT 12
Well done the commentary team , definitely a notch or three up this year and made for a far better customer experience.
With Mal Sines leading from the infield, Mike Wilson in the pits and Stu Russell in the box seat assisted by Dave Poppelwell the bases were really well covered.
Graham Standring providing input for the Midgets rounded out the commentary value nicely.
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Post by Stumo on Feb 8, 2021 15:01:27 GMT 12
Cheers Gordon appreciate that.
This was the third year of us all working together. With each year a few tweeks to make things better and to no suprise we already have notes and ideas to improve the commentry again.
Have to say thanks to Barry Brown for the words of advice on Friday arvo and on Sunday with the positive constructive advice on changes from night one, one being in regards to using names over nicknames.
As a young commentator this is the advice that helps me make it better for the crowd rather than a bagging with no solution.
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Post by rollover on Feb 8, 2021 16:48:39 GMT 12
Yes, when Mal Sines is involved with a commentary, it is always top notch, the same with Paul Hickey and Mintie, Barry Brown as well.
Those 4 are the best, and I guess that is why Bruce Roberson engages Mal Sines each year for his big meetings.
However even the best commentary in the world is useless and wasted if it cannot be heard and/or it is not clear enough to understand. I would suggest very few people who attended either night heard very little if anything of the commentary. Especially so in the grand stand, where the most expensive seats were. I was there both nights.
Bruce, please do something about this, thanks
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2021 17:30:33 GMT 12
I agree Macgor. The boys did good.
Barry B
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Post by conrod on Feb 8, 2021 18:15:33 GMT 12
Yes, when Mal Sines is involved with a commentary, it is always top notch, the same with Paul Hickey and Mintie, Barry Brown as well. Those 4 are the best, and I guess that is why Bruce Roberson engages Mal Sines each year for his big meetings. However even the best commentary in the world is useless and wasted if it cannot be heard and/or it is not clear enough to understand. I would suggest very few people who attended either night heard very little if anything of the commentary. Especially so in the grand stand, where the most expensive seats were. I was there both nights. Bruce, please do something about this, thanks They had a superb sound system at one stage have to agree was hard to here fading in and out |
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Post by percy on Feb 8, 2021 20:00:58 GMT 12
Agree with the general sentiment. The successful formula is fairly well established and it was clear the team had defined roles and worked well within those roles. Would be interesting to know how much structure you take into the show. At Western Springs in previous years everything is scheduled prior to the meeting. For instance Nik Brown may interview the first Midget heat winner after race 6, Graham Standrings technical piece may follow race 12 and the invert draw may follow race 17. Having a structure like that can be a real positive, though you also have to be willing to throw it out should something major happen!
Just adding to Barry's thought on using names over nicknames, whilst us hardcore fans know which driver is in which car, a fair number of people do not. Don't be afraid to mention the drivers number so the casual fan can better identify what you are talking about.
The one commentary work on is the race calling. Having a second commentator shouting randomly about some event happening on the race track is ineffective. It interrupts the flow of the main commentator calling the race and adds little to the broadcast. I'd also encourage every commentator in the country to get a login to dirtvision.com and delve into the World of Outlaws vault listening to how the great Johnny Gibson calls a race. How he identifies drivers and where they are on the race track. His words paint a picture of the race. Blake Anderson is another good USA commentator to replicate
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Post by jayrea on Feb 8, 2021 20:22:27 GMT 12
The one commentary work on is the race calling. Having a second commentator shouting randomly about some event happening on the race track is ineffective. It interrupts the flow of the main commentator calling the race and adds little to the broadcast. This is where you need to know if you are "the commentator" or "the presenter" very different roles. I'd also encourage every commentator in the country to get a login to dirtvision.com and delve into the World of Outlaws vault listening to how the great Johnny Gibson calls a race. How he identifies drivers and where they are on the race track. His words paint a picture of the race. Blake Anderson is another good USA commentator to replicate Ive worked with Johnny is is an amazing guy with a passion for the sport which shows in his commentary. Ive seen him spend hours prior to a night and also talking to drivers and crews prior to a meting as well. Others you need to research is Benny Bishop World Series Sprintcars. Matt Naulty V8 Supercars and also Austrilan Sprintcars like Chariots of Thunder and Perth Motorplex. Both professionals many can learn from. |
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Post by rollover on Feb 8, 2021 21:08:41 GMT 12
Clearly the commentry at Palmerston North is set up for the benefit of the Video Hub Livestream and not so that the paying public at the track can hear it at a reasonable volume and with sufficient clarity. I would have loved to have been able to hear all the top quality stuff from the Commentators from my seat at the track.
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 8, 2021 22:15:42 GMT 12
When ypu have superstocks going around your never gonna hear without a fm frequency. I believe palmy does? Have one. However, watching from a stream you lose all ability to watch a race. So the commentators do the job for you. Found it very good. No complaints. But at the track i remember last year having to tap the palmy supporter beside me that hes just unlapped himself and that 127g is still race leader. As he was going nuts thinking palmy just took the lead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 22:37:34 GMT 12
Clearly the commentry at Palmerston North is set up for the benefit of the Video Hub Live stream. No compeatly the opposite. |
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 9, 2021 7:27:39 GMT 12
Watching the Video Hub stream You wouldnt have a clue who the hell the lead car was ,The camera work is all over the place Had to rely on the great commentary team .
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Post by rollover on Feb 9, 2021 9:35:20 GMT 12
Clearly the commentry at Palmerston North is set up for the benefit of the Video Hub Live stream. No compeatly the opposite. |
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Post by rollover on Feb 9, 2021 9:45:36 GMT 12
Re the commentary sound, I accept that the livestream audience only get to hear it because it’s there for the trackside people. However my point was that while the livestream people can hear it ( subject to VideoHub getting it to work), at the track all over the Arena, it cannot be heard clearly or loud enough most of the time. Cannot the volume be turned up and/or the clarity be vastly improved?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 9, 2021 10:54:11 GMT 12
When ypu have superstocks going around your never gonna hear without a fm frequency. I believe palmy does? Have one. However, watching from a stream you lose all ability to watch a race. So the commentators do the job for you. Found it very good. No complaints. But at the track i remember last year having to tap the palmy supporter beside me that hes just unlapped himself and that 127g is still race leader. As he was going nuts thinking palmy just took the lead. Yes they do. I turned my FM on and it seemed to be working okay on 88.3, same as Rotorua and Huntly. Palmy used to hire in the FM transmitter just for teams and I think it was a different frequency back then (maybe 88.1FM?), but maybe they've joined the 88.3FM brigade since they put in a permanent one? They certainly need to advertise their FM frequency better, like print it in the programme, paint it on the front of the commentary box AND mention it in the commentary just before racing commences. That way most people are in the stadium and listening, but there is no engine noise. Certainly with the noise a field of angry Superstocks make it's the only way of hearing the commentary during a race at most tracks today. At Baypark we used to have two settings, with increased volume during the racing but a lower setting for between the races. Even they obviously don't do that today, as by feature time there is nobody in the box during racing to alter the volume settings. Barry B |
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Post by sidfail on Feb 9, 2021 18:05:42 GMT 12
When ypu have superstocks going around your never gonna hear without a fm frequency. I believe palmy does? Have one. However, watching from a stream you lose all ability to watch a race. So the commentators do the job for you. Found it very good. No complaints. But at the track i remember last year having to tap the palmy supporter beside me that hes just unlapped himself and that 127g is still race leader. As he was going nuts thinking palmy just took the lead. Yes they do. I turned my FM on and it seemed to be working okay on 88.3, same as Rotorua and Huntly. Palmy used to hire in the FM transmitter just for teams and I think it was a different frequency back then (maybe 88.1FM?), but maybe they've joined the 88.3FM brigade since they put in a permanent one? They certainly need to advertise their FM frequency better, like print it in the programme, paint it on the front of the commentary box AND mention it in the commentary just before racing commences. That way most people are in the stadium and listening, but there is no engine noise. Certainly with the noise a field of angry Superstocks make it's the only way of hearing the commentary during a race at most tracks today. At Baypark we used to have two settings, with increased volume during the racing but a lower setting for between the races. Even they obviously don't do that today, as by feature time there is nobody in the box during racing to alter the volume settings. Barry B I found the Fm to bo just ok I personally kept getting a bunch of static while trying to listen, but yes I do agree they need to advertise it better. |
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Post by midway on Feb 9, 2021 19:17:54 GMT 12
Agree with the general sentiment. I'd also encourage every commentator in the country to get a login to dirtvision.com and delve into the World of Outlaws vault listening to how the great Johnny Gibson calls a race. How he identifies drivers and where they are on the race track. His words paint a picture of the race. Blake Anderson is another good USA commentator to replicate You need a little Irish blood injected into you to get the right twang in the voice calling the Outlaws aye there Johnny lad ...  |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 10, 2021 17:27:35 GMT 12
Cheers Gordon appreciate that. This was the third year of us all working together. With each year a few tweeks to make things better and to no suprise we already have notes and ideas to improve the commentry again. Have to say thanks to Barry Brown for the words of advice on Friday arvo and on Sunday with the positive constructive advice on changes from night one, one being in regards to using names over nicknames. As a young commentator this is the advice that helps me make it better for the crowd rather than a bagging with no solution. Was great to catch up in the Friday Stu, with no pressure of racing to interrupt and nice relaxing chat in the sun. Most of us Speedway commentators have a story about how we ended up doing such a job, and for many of us we never had any intention of becoming involved with such a role. For myself I have to blame Dave Birdling a little bit and Malcolm Sines by (said in a Donald Trump voice) "A LOT!!!" And we, as a sport, certainly need some passionate and enthusiastic young commentators, with stickability, coming through the ranks. Too many of us are getting old, grey, forgetful and broken. Some of us are all four!!! Use by dates for some are approaching fast, while for others they've already been exceeded. The pendulum never swings forever. Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 21:49:04 GMT 12
And we, as a sport, certainly need some passionate and enthusiastic young commentators, with stickability, coming through the ranks. Too many of us are getting old, grey, forgetful and broken. Some of us are all four!!! Barry B Oi Graeme MeadBarry is taking about you again! 😜😜😂😂🤣🤣 |
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Post by Graeme Mead on Feb 10, 2021 23:21:01 GMT 12
Been called alot of things Rammer over the years and latterly more so...not too much left in the tank for a sport I love so much..
See you at Wangas to ensure you exit graciously 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And as for Brownie...he won the zimmer frame race to a gold card...nuff said 😂😂😂
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Post by meeaneemic on Feb 11, 2021 6:51:17 GMT 12
Agree with the general sentiment. The successful formula is fairly well established and it was clear the team had defined roles and worked well within those roles. Would be interesting to know how much structure you take into the show. At Western Springs in previous years everything is scheduled prior to the meeting. For instance Nik Brown may interview the first Midget heat winner after race 6, Graham Standrings technical piece may follow race 12 and the invert draw may follow race 17. Having a structure like that can be a real positive, though you also have to be willing to throw it out should something major happen! Just adding to Barry's thought on using names over nicknames, whilst us hardcore fans know which driver is in which car, a fair number of people do not. Don't be afraid to mention the drivers number so the casual fan can better identify what you are talking about. The one commentary work on is the race calling. Having a second commentator shouting randomly about some event happening on the race track is ineffective. It interrupts the flow of the main commentator calling the race and adds little to the broadcast. I'd also encourage every commentator in the country to get a login to dirtvision.com and delve into the World of Outlaws vault listening to how the great Johnny Gibson calls a race. How he identifies drivers and where they are on the race track. His words paint a picture of the race. Blake Anderson is another good USA commentator to replicate Agreed about defined rolls Percy. We had those rolls sorted before the event but due in part to the new pits layout we struggled badly with unworkable comms and crackling FM. I'm surprised I was able to understand anything Mal or Stu said and that's part of why I was jumping in when I could find a gap. I also used to be able to watch racing from the Pit gate and then head off to interview but now I find I cant even see the racing due to the 6 deep crowds at the top of the stairs and possibly only saw maybe two whole races all weekend and none of the semi's or final!!!. Notes have been taken to eliminate these issues for next year and we will keep moving forward. Cheers |
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