The great 4 bar debate (Read 10,130 times)

[fanforlife]

Jun 14, 2021 10:01:21 GMT 12 spuddy said:

The sport that continues to shoot itself in the foot ...
A multiple time NZ champ walks away

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all this is so sad.Have watched the 3p-23p team entertain and amaze me all my life. Thanks for all the happy memories.

[Admin]

Well that's not very 'green' on SNZ's part. Think how much resource could be saved by running smaller tyres. It all adds up ya know.
Seriously though I cant think of a time when I've heard of a minimum tyre size being mandated in Speedway, seems rather regressive to me.

[mod46c]

quote "Speedway NZ allows the class to run an opentube rearend designed for 600kg sprintcars in a 1200kg Super Saloon."

lets not forget the sprintcar wheel centers, that also seem to be common on supers and saloons

[percy]

Reading through the driver feedback (publicly available via links on the SNZ May board update on the SNZ site) I think I understand why this decision was made.

Overall feedback for the rule was 21 yes to the proposed change, 8 yes to the change with minor amendments and 16 against. So 29-16 in favour, 64% of drivers responding agreed in principal to the tyre measurement rule. My assessment of the feedback is that drivers did not want to outlaw the 4-bar setup and that defining 4-bar was potentially going to be tough.

At the same time what they did not want is for Late Model style Super Saloons to make the rest of the class redundant. Given some of the performances this past season I'm not surprised. There were instances when the Late Model style cars were substantially quicker and moving forward it is likely further development would make them even quicker. The concern being if they were left to run, everyone else in the class would be forced to buy one to be competitive.

I appreciate the viewpoint of the sport shooting itself in the foot and forcing a competitors car out of the sport. On the other hand this rule change may have kept a substantial number of competitors in the sport.

[hbhornets]

Jun 14, 2021 18:38:47 GMT 12 percy said:

Reading through the driver feedback (publicly available via links on the SNZ May board update on the SNZ site) I think I understand why this decision was made.

Overall feedback for the rule was 21 yes to the proposed change, 8 yes to the change with minor amendments and 16 against. So 29-16 in favour, 64% of drivers responding agreed in principal to the tyre measurement rule. My assessment of the feedback is that drivers did not want to outlaw the 4-bar setup and that defining 4-bar was potentially going to be tough.

At the same time what they did not want is for Late Model style Super Saloons to make the rest of the class redundant. Given some of the performances this past season I'm not surprised. There were instances when the Late Model style cars were substantially quicker and moving forward it is likely further development would make them even quicker. The concern being if they were left to run, everyone else in the class would be forced to buy one to be competitive.

I appreciate the viewpoint of the sport shooting itself in the foot and forcing a competitors car out of the sport. On the other hand this rule change may have kept a substantial number of competitors in the sport.

You will never what bringing in this rule vs not bringing this rule in would do. For my mind they are only delaying the eneiveable. In search for more speed this is the road many will take. And will only be a matter of time before more rules are banned until eventually it gives.

My advice prepare for that day. Because there are alot of people out there which is finding innovative ways to win like blondie. That will never stop changing

[midway]

Some one mentioned Greens :)up the page like many of us they simply know how to annoy a vast majority of kiwi folk a little like SNZ does ,you have to wonder if theyre not related ...

[woodart]

Jun 14, 2021 13:44:21 GMT 12 Admin said:

Well that's not very 'green' on SNZ's part. Think how much resource could be saved by running smaller tyres. It all adds up ya know.
Seriously though I cant think of a time when I've heard of a minimum tyre size being mandated in Speedway, seems rather regressive to me.

in the eighties some sidecars were running small car wheels and tyres ,and the rules were changed to outlaw car tyres and car engines. very similar to this argument, a few sidecars were outlawed to keep the majority of outfits competitive ..

[Helios]

Seems to me that people have been experimenting with American-style set-ups for years, possibly decades (Maurice Cowling for instance), but it's only since the results of their determination have been bearing fruit that some others want something done about it. The advent of the Hypermac chassis relegated the others to the status of also-ran - so much so that Super Saloons looked like becoming a one-design class. Back in the day, Blondie's innovations gave him an advantage until everyone else cottoned-on. It's called "development".

[westford]

Truly disappointing those two cars 1nz and 23p reinvigorated my interest in the super saloon class. I guess where back to cookie cutter Hypermac Corvette class. Horses for courses as the 4bar cars didn't seem to perform on a rough track.

[sadfish]

most drivers think that the car is the most important part of their racing gear, they need all the best bits the latest ideas in order to win,yes that is true for the average driver who"s car is carrying their lack of ability to driver it, and there is the driver that can drive anything and make it work, so when you have the top driver in the best car he wins. almost any car in the super field is capable of winning at the moment so if they change the 4 bar rule the people that cant drive still wont win

[magilla]

Feb 24, 2021 5:57:21 GMT 12 spuddy said:

Personally, I find the Quin and Dickson cars very ugly to look at, but very interesting to watch, and any move in a direction to ban them can’t be good for the sport. Innovation should be encouraged rather than driven away

if you banned cars for being ugly then there would be none of those wide body modifieds.

[beachboy]

Anything to get rid of those ugly cars like the big red machine is a win win for the class. 😁😁