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Post by renwick72p on Dec 9, 2007 10:03:31 GMT 12
what are your thought on having to change the sub-frame height? half way through the season
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Post by ~HUGGIES34P~ on Dec 9, 2007 13:18:00 GMT 12
I think its stupid considering they didn't crack down on it for greensheeting, same reason about steal thickness they were checking last night. As for Subframe heights what differences does it make? Its not a safety enhancement  Geuss SNZ like pissing people off. |
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Post by xracea on Dec 9, 2007 14:49:44 GMT 12
What r u guys meaning lower then is this sum kind of new ruling by SNZ ?
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Post by RevXS on Dec 9, 2007 15:23:15 GMT 12
Yip is a new ruling by SNZ,Even thou my car was too old to have anything fancy like that done to it i still think its stupid,Even if they want this rule to stick why not let the cars run untill the end of the season then change it...
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Post by 25p on Dec 9, 2007 18:24:10 GMT 12
 Yep got told at the start of the season whilst getting green sheeted about the 6mm backing on my front bumper. They told me to change it when I wrecked the front end, but now they want it changed by next meet.
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Post by Pazza on Dec 10, 2007 11:32:53 GMT 12
The silly thing about this ruling..If u look in the rule book it states that suspension mounting points r free & all ministocks have a 25mm tolerance allround unless stated in the rule book..As per normal they cotridict them selfs & do it during the season..A bit silly as usual i think..
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Post by ~HUGGIES34P~ on Dec 10, 2007 12:35:36 GMT 12
The silly thing about this ruling..If u look in the rule book it states that suspension mounting points r free & all ministocks have a 25mm tolerance allround unless stated in the rule book..As per normal they cotridict them selfs & do it during the season..A bit silly as usual i think.. There are cars in Palmy that have 25mm blocks under the sub-frame thinking the 25mm tollerance was in effect but SNZ decided to change that and now there is no tollerence on the Sub-Frame. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2007 14:27:44 GMT 12
There is nothing in the rulebook that says how you are to mount your crossmember, so this ruling is perplexing at best.
So how are people meant to know it is supposed to be directly to the chassis when it doesnt say? There is no crossmember in the diagram either, so that excuse is not valid.
If it is bolted on instead of welded, how are you meant to achieve this without a decent bit of steel to bolt it to? I imagine tapped thread in 3mm of chassis rail would not be safe to attach a crossmember to a car.
For the record mine is welded straight to the chassis, so this 'new interpretation' does not affect me. But I cant see the harm in what others have been doing to be honest.
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Post by thegreenhornet on Dec 10, 2007 16:59:42 GMT 12
As some of you would know, i started a petition at Wanganui's Dec 2nd meeting regarding this issue. Gary Parkes had written a letter to SNZ suggesting 'spacer blocks' actually replicate the original donor cars arm angles.
25 cars at Wanganui had the spacers out of the approx 57 ministocks present. Interestingly the head scrutineer was the one pushing for the spacer blocks to be banned, if they were over 25mm high, seems he thought the 25mm tolerance was allowable for them. Not so now it seems..
The petition was sent to Snz on Dec 3rd (no reply from them at all). since then we have been told at Palmy's last meeting, (Dec 8th) we had to remove them by the next meeting or not race at all.
I have heard they (SNZ) are having a meeting in January to review the 'spacer block issue' which seems a waste of time since we will have all changed our cars in the mean time.
I suggest to everyone to e-mail SNZ (in a sensible non-threatening way) and try to at least get them to give us till the off season to review this issue.
They over threw the Holden V6 issue, its up to us to sort this mess out.........
Yours Gavin Taniwha aka The Green Hornet ;D
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Post by WOFTAM on Dec 10, 2007 19:48:24 GMT 12
im not too happy i have to do that after we have just put car together. If we do that we have to p!ss around with the Radiator because it will be hitting  Whats the advantage to this?? whats it doing? Just like having to make the floor square all round whats wrong with having angle? I can remember dad made this thing that curves under the back diff so if it drops or something it wont get any more damage someone complains and dad explain what it does and they said something to do with the heights and it was freaken miles away from touching the diff only touched the main chassis rail. Every rule they make during season they should have at least one good reason to why they are doing it not like "because we can" its like some people don't really give a sh!t about ministocks in some citys like Palmerston as they always water the track before our race always never hardly for stockcars. I mean this is annoying me as we get it done then we have to do some changes to the car. Thats another hours work if they wont it done they should do it because most people don't see the big deal? either can they what does it do? annoy the hell out of people. To me they come up some times with some wack rules that take sh!t loads of time to fix/redo and they have no point. Im just waiting for a huge argument to happen.
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Post by worldno1 on Dec 10, 2007 20:13:54 GMT 12
mine is 25mm is it right or???
thanks
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Post by renwick72p on Dec 10, 2007 20:34:50 GMT 12
This is a copy of the email i sent to the SNZ To speedway NZ, I am writing about the ruling to change the sub-frame mounting blocks, because the season is already nine weeks in for Palmy track, is it possible to wait till the end of the season, when the cars are getting ready for the next season.I have included some photos to show that the angles, of the suspension arms are the some as a standard road Datsun (B310).  This is a 1981 Datsun sunny suspension arm  This is my ministock 72p suspension arm This shows the 50mm mounting block It has been written in our log book to remove the blocks . Can you please reply back. Cameron Renwick Youth ministock 72p |
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Post by Wiseowl on Dec 10, 2007 21:29:10 GMT 12
im not too happy i have to do that after we have just put car together. If we do that we have to p!ss around with the Radiator because it will be hitting Whats the advantage to this?? whats it doing? Just like having to make the floor square all round whats wrong with having angle? I can remember dad made this thing that curves under the back diff so if it drops or something it wont get any more damage someone complains and dad explain what it does and they said something to do with the heights and it was freaken miles away from touching the diff only touched the main chassis rail. Every rule they make during season they should have at least one good reason to why they are doing it not like "because we can" its like some people don't really give a sh!t about ministocks in some citys like Palmerston as they always water the track before our race always never hardly for stockcars. I mean this is annoying me as we get it done then we have to do some changes to the car. Thats another hours work if they wont it done they should do it because most people don't see the big deal? either can they what does it do? annoy the hell out of people. To me they come up some times with some wack rules that take sh!t loads of time to fix/redo and they have no point. Im just waiting for a huge argument to happen. Tim 88P Study the Ministock rules I think what you are referring to is the attachment made to stop the driveshaft breaking at the time, due to too much travel.. However, if you studied what was on the car was in fact a rear stabiliser bar Refer to the rule below & all will be revealed....To help you in your lack of knowledge of setup & handling !!! Hope this helps your gripe Ministock rule 15-1 F Any other device to restrict suspension travel is not permitted Cheers Wiseowl |
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Post by 25p on Dec 10, 2007 21:37:24 GMT 12
Hey there Renwick looking at your photos are the blocks they are talking about the ones above the cross member, if so then if you removed them wouldn't that lower your engine height as well?  |
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Post by ~HUGGIES34P~ on Dec 10, 2007 23:14:22 GMT 12
mine is 25mm is it right or??? thanks Simply : No Even people with 25mm blocks (Thinking the 25mm tollerence rule was in effect) are being told to take them out. I would like to know why this is being brought in after most of the cars have been green sheeted and who's idea was it and whats the reason for chaning it? |
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Post by The Godfather on Dec 11, 2007 6:12:22 GMT 12
As for Subframe heights what differences does it make? Its not a safety enhancement Geuss SNZ like pissing people off. If I can play devils advocate for a minute...I dont own a ministock, nor have I read the rulebook on ministock construction but..... If it makes no difference, why build it like that in the first place?? The fact scrutineers dont pick things up doesnt make it right or legal, however if they knew at greensheeting about the issue and chose not to do anything about it,thats a different story. The scrutineers are tasked with administering SNZ's rulebook, therefore if the scrutineers stuff up by allowing illegal mods to cars then SNZ should at least give some sort of decent time period to fix the issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 7:13:13 GMT 12
If it makes no difference, why build it like that in the first place?? I am lead to believe it does in fact make a difference. If you look at Renwicks photo's, without the spacer block the arms will be in completely different positions than on the road car. What affect this has on handling is over my head ;D |
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Post by ~HUGGIES34P~ on Dec 11, 2007 7:23:43 GMT 12
If it makes no difference, why build it like that in the first place?? I am lead to believe it does in fact make a difference. If you look at Renwicks photo's, without the spacer block the arms will be in completely different positions than on the road car. What affect this has on handling is over my head ;D I only know it gives you more corner speed (not sure how though) As for Subframe heights what differences does it make? Its not a safety enhancement Geuss SNZ like pissing people off. If I can play devils advocate for a minute...I dont own a ministock, nor have I read the rulebook on ministock construction but..... If it makes no difference, why build it like that in the first place?? The fact scrutineers dont pick things up doesnt make it right or legal, however if they knew at greensheeting about the issue and chose not to do anything about it,thats a different story. The scrutineers are tasked with administering SNZ's rulebook, therefore if the scrutineers stuff up by allowing illegal mods to cars then SNZ should at least give some sort of decent time period to fix the issue. I am not blaming the scruitineers which is why i said SNZ. I don't have the blocks in my car but I'm sure if SNZ gave people a valid reason I'm sure it wouldn't be as bad |
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Post by renwick72p on Dec 11, 2007 7:45:12 GMT 12
Can you see the suspension arm is the some angle that is why we built my car like it
If i have to change it the radiator has to be moved and so does the bonnet
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Post by wardy62p on Dec 11, 2007 9:25:28 GMT 12
Im the same as Tim and Cameron if we have to change this we have to move the radiator because it will be hitting and then we would have to make the bonnet higher.
Why cant they let us change it in the next off season to give us time My car will be sitting for a bit because Dads car has to teams race this weekend and after that its basically all championships after that so mine will hardly get touched!
Or Atleast drop this hassel they have caused.
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Geuss SNZ like pissing people off.
Yep got told at the start of the season whilst getting green sheeted about the 6mm backing on my front bumper. They told me to change it when I wrecked the front end, but now they want it changed by next meet. 
